Final_HB Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) When launched at an angle a to the horizontal, a projectile falls a distance D1 short of a target. If the projectile is fired at an angle b to the horiztonal, it reaches a distance D2 beyond the target. Assuming that C is the correct angle for a launched projectile to hit the target, show that: Sin2C = D2Sina + D1Sinb D1+D2 Well... If its a 'Sin2C' identity, it probably comes from Cosine times Sine. It probably goes like: -Find time of flight -Find a formula expressing the launch angle. -rinse and repeat for the second launch. -Equate the two, and mess with it til the desired result. EDIT: question states that both launch speeds are the same. Edited August 15, 2013 by Final_HB
studiot Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) OK, its your turn to put your thinking cap on and do some algebra/trigonometry Edited August 15, 2013 by studiot
Final_HB Posted August 15, 2013 Author Posted August 15, 2013 Okay then Inital launch speed is u. Time of flight can be found using one of the main physics formulas, which comes out as: T=2uSina g g=acceleration due to gravity And our range for the first lunch comes out as: D1= 2u2Cos(a)sin(a) = 2u2Sin(2a) g g -The work is the exact same for D2, except at angle b so D2 = 2u2Sin2b g We could do this again, with angle C. Would the range be D2-D1 ?
studiot Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) I see you have moved on from comparing times in post#1 to distances in post#2. However your formula are not correct. D1 and D2 are not ranges. Distance comparison is the correct approach, but you need to remember your formulae give you the range. You have one further piece of information that is the range to C and its relation to D1 and D2. So (Ra+ D1) = (Rb- D2) = Rc Edited August 15, 2013 by studiot
Final_HB Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 Sorry... R= u2Sin2(theta) is the range formula the general one anyways. g Would you be able to say that the angle C would be between a and b?
studiot Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 So what happens if you substitute this for Ra , Rband Rc and angles a,b and c in my equations above?
Final_HB Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 Doing that we get: u2Sin2a +D1 = u2Sin2b - D2 =u2SinC g g g ->u2(Sin2a-Sin2b) D2+D1=u2SinC g g
studiot Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Go on. You have two equations connecting the quantities in your original expression plus one unknown (u) and wish to eliminate the one unknown between them.
Final_HB Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) Perfect... Just wanted to be sure I was on the right track with it before doing more work. Move some stuff around in both to get it equal to u2 so both equations become: u2=gsin2C-gsin2a and u2= gsin2C-gsin2b D1 D2 Let them equal each other. g cancels. remove fraction and you get: D1Sin2C-D1sin2b=D2sin2C-D2Sin2a And from there it pops out after some factorising EDIT:i actually ended with minuses in instead of pluses :/ Edited August 16, 2013 by Final_HB
studiot Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) I'm glad you did the algebra/trig for yourself that is the idea of these forums. You should now check the expression you originally posted in post#1. Edited August 16, 2013 by studiot
Final_HB Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 i know... I do have it somewhere in my head... just I need someone to talk me through it sometimes thanks the original should be sin2a and sin2b not just sin a and sin b as i have :/ and the wrong signs are still an issue, but it might just be my algebra
studiot Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Rest assured the expression with the additional pair of 2s is correct. Both the missing 2's and the signs demonstrate the need for care in working. If it helps, I get D2 = V2/g(sin2b-sin2c) D1 = V2/g(sin2c-sin2a) divide the equations, cross multiply and collect terms.
Final_HB Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 ya looking back i never swapped signs after bring u2 across, so I missed it there Thanks for your help
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