Ceasium Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Imagine that at the start of the universe, a photon has a short wavelength x. Due to the universe expanding its wavelength decreases. A longer wavelength suggests that the photon has lost energy over time. (I've googled it and found out that the photon has lost over 99,9% of its energy over time). What has happened to this energy? Can one of you come up with a reasonable understandable explanation (I'm a first year physics students, so my toolkit is very limited). It undermines the principle of the law of conservation of energy, if the energy is just lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 The law of conservation energy applies only in a single frame of reference. If you measure the energy of a photon from a different frame of reference there will be a change of wavelength and frequency from the Doppler shift, thus the photon has a different energy in that frame, but there is no violation of conservation of energy because the reference frame has changed (things that are the same between frames are called invariant). Another example is a ball is moving with some speed v and thus energy mv2/2, but from the ball's frame of reference, the earth is moving at the same speed and has lots more energy because it has much more mass. Asking where the energy went (or came from) is an ill-posed question. The expanding universe is not a single frame of reference, so asking where the photon's energy went is a similarly ill-posed question. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceasium Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 The law of conservation energy applies only in a single frame of reference. If you measure the energy of a photon from a different frame of reference there will be a change of wavelength and frequency from the Doppler shift, thus the photon has a different energy in that frame, but there is no violation of conservation of energy because the reference frame has changed (things that are the same between frames are called invariant). Another example is a ball is moving with some speed v and thus energy mv2/2, but from the ball's frame of reference, the earth is moving at the same speed and has lots more energy because it has much more mass. Asking where the energy went (or came from) is an ill-posed question. The expanding universe is not a single frame of reference, so asking where the photon's energy went is a similarly ill-posed question. That explains the whole thing, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrappedLight Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) sorry read that wrong. Edited September 18, 2013 by TrappedLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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