mun Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 With the name of God the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful The Quran swears by destruction of stars and the subsequent formation of black holes to prove it is sent by God. (In 53:1 An oath by the destruction of stars is taken, In 56:75-76 An oath by the enormity of this event is taken, In 81:15-18 Formation of black holes which form after the destruction of giant stars and the fact that matter and light cannot escape is mentioned) - Below are the specific ayaat: 53:1: By the star when it Hawa (destructs, blows up) 53:2: Has neither Dalla (gone astray), Your Companion (Muhammad Blessings and Peace of God be upon him) nor Ghawa (nor is being misled) 53:3: Nor does he speak from Hawa (emotion) 53:4: It is not but a Wahi (revelation, inspiration) Yuha (revealed, inspired) 56:75: Fa (So) La (No), uqsimu (I swear, I take an oath) by the mawaq'i (occurrences, events) of the Nujuum (stars) 56:76: And indeed, it is surely an oath - if you knew - Azeem (tremendous, A supernova is a tremendous event during which more energy may be released than the Sun will in its entire life span) 56:77: That (this) is indeed a recital Kareem (honorable, the Qur'an in Arabic). 56:78: In a Book kept Maknoon (hidden). 56:79: Which (that Book with God) none can touch but the Mutaharoon (purified, the angels, the book in which is pre-written everything that will occur) 56:80: (It is) a tanzeel (sending down of revelation) from the Lord of the Alameen (human beings and Jinn (another creation given the gift of speech)) 56:81: Then is it to this statement that you are Mudhinoon (indifferent) 56:82: And make (the thanks) for your provision that you Tukaziboon (lie about the Provider) 56:83: Then why (do you) not, when (death) reaches the Hulqoom (throat) 56:84: And you are at that time Tanzuroon (looking on) 56:85: And we (angels) are nearer to him than you, but you do not Tubsiroon (see) 56:86: Then why (do you) not, if you are not to be Madineen (recompensed, punished or rewarded) 56:87: Bring it (the soul) back, if you are Sadiqeen (truthful?) 56:88: If (the deceased) was of the Muqarabeen (close to God, from the foremost in doing good works) 56:89: Then (for him is) rauh and rayhan and a garden of Naeem (pleasure) 56:90: And if he was of the Ashab Al-Yameen (people of the right) 56:91: Then salam (safety from all bad things, paradise as well) for you, from the Ashab Al-Yameen. 56:92: But if he was from the Mukazibeen (liars and who were) Daaleen (astray, e.g. people with lots of money who didn't care about the starving) 56:93: Then (for him is) accommodation of Hameem (intensely hot scalding water) 56:94: And burning in Jaheem (intense Hellfire) 56:95: Verily, this! This is Haq-ul-Yaqeen (the Truth with certainty) 56:96: Fa sabbih (So declare free from faults) the name of your Lord, Al-Azeem (Tremendous) 81:15: Fa (So) La (No), uqsimu (I swear, I take an oath) by Khunnas (drawn together objects) (When a massive star destructs, it subsequently draws together i.e. 10 times the mass of the sun is drawn to within a 30 km diameter in the stellar category of black holes) 81:16: Those that run (their courses) and Kunnas (sweep whatever is in their path, matter cannot escape) 81:17: And the night as it us'us (the darkness of a black hole is different than regular darkness) 81:18: And the light as it Tanaffus (As it gets pulled in, even light cannot escape) 81:19: Verily, this is the Word (this Qur'an brought by) a messenger Kareem (honourable, Jibrael (Gabriel), from God to the last human messenger) 81:20: (Who is) possessed of power and with the Owner of the Arsh (uppermost construction in heaven), Makeen (secure in position), 81:21: Obeyed there (in the heavens) and Ameen (trustworthy) 81:22: And your companion is not (at all) Majnoon (mad) 81:23: And he has already seen him (Gabriel) in the horizon Mubeen (clear) 81:24: And he (the last messenger) is not with the unseen Daneen (a with-holder, concealer of knowledge) 81:25: And it (the Qur'an) is not the word of Satan, Rajeem (expelled from the heavens). 81:26: So where are you Tazhaboon (going?) 81:27: It (the Quran) is not except a remembrance for the Alameen 81:28: For whoever wills among you that (he or she) Yastaqeem (stay straight, do what is right and avoid straying from what is right) 81:29: And you will not, except (it be) that Allah wills - Lord of the Alameen. 3:84: Say, "We have believed in Allah (God) and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and Al-Asbat (the tribes from the twelve sons of Ya'qub), and in what was given to Musa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus) and to the Nabbiyun (those who brought news of the unseen) from their Lord. We make no division between any of them, and we to (God) are Muslimoon (those who submit to God)". You may verify the words above using an arabic-english lexicon visit: http://tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/ or http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm or corpus.quran.com also http://quranic-wisdom.co.nf -1
hypervalent_iodine Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 ! Moderator Note Does this thread have a point for discussion or are you just here to preach? If not, I will be closing it.
Endy0816 Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 I could make the same case with Revelation 12. Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. The Woman representing the Sun, about to give birth(produce light) in danger of having her child devoured by a dragon(representing a black hole). All sounds very plausible but just as random an interpretation likely out of context of what the writer meant.
John Cuthber Posted December 9, 2013 Posted December 9, 2013 Funny how nobody noticed this in the scripture in all the years it was available, until science pointed out the black holes. Then suddenly religion wants to jump on the bandwagon. Anyway, lets look at another translation. http://quran.com/81 And when Paradise is brought near, A soul will [then] know what it has brought [with it]. So I swear by the retreating stars Those that run [their courses] and disappear And by the night as it closes in And by the dawn when it breathes [That] indeed, the Qur'an is a word [conveyed by] a noble messenger [Who is] possessed of power and with the Owner of the Throne, secure [in position], Obeyed there [in the heavens] and trustworthy. And your companion is not [at all] mad. At best, it predicts that stars die eventually. 2
overtone Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 All you accomplish with this kind of evangelizing is breeding the suspicion that all Muslims are crazy. You can read that kind of silliness into any sufficiently long and densely written book. Nobody ever learned anything new to the world and of scientific import from the Quran, or the Bible, or the Talmud, or the Book of Mormon, or the Bhagavad Gita, or the Iliad, or the Mabinogian, or the Kalevala. Moby Dick, now, is informative - and a religion built around the White Whale of Obsession and Death has pull. 1
ydoaPs Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 If you're going to violate our rules about preaching, at least give us the courtesy of an original sermon instead of something that's been copypastaed around the entire interwebs. Bad form.
John Cuthber Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Whether in politics, or religion, if you have to lie about your ideas, to make them acceptable, you should change those ideas. 1
hypervalent_iodine Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 ! Moderator Note Since the OP has not returned and due it being little more than an attempt at soap boxing, this thread is closed.
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