Lokitorrent sold out to MPAA

[Tesseract]

Just like suprnova before, Lokitorrent has sold out and closed down. Heres a link to some info:

 

http://www.mpaa.org/CurrentReleases/

 

http://www.lokitorrent.com/

[Sayonara]

Suprnova did not "sell out".

[Nevermore]

I agree, Supernova was caught. It didn't sell out.

[Sayonara]

They weren't caught either. They weren't even approached afaik.

 

The decision to close Suprnova was internal and tactical. They were already developing Exceem, and quite rightly pulled the plug early on the service that other providers were being legally beasted for.

[Nevermore]

Ah, sorry. I need to check my sources for veracity.

[bloodhound]

yes indeed, i doubt any such trackers can sustain the heavy legal pressure that MPAA or RIAA induces upon them..

 

but as far as i know eXeem hasnt taken off strongly

[Tesseract]

An interesting email, conversation between isohunt and the MPAA, posted recently on their news board.

 

 

Mr. Oppenheimm' date='

 

 

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:12:13 -0500, Oppenheim, Matthew J wrote:

 

> Dear Mr. Fung:

>

> We are writing to follow up on our prior correspondence. As you know by

> now, we have filed suits against a number of significant BitTorrent

> operators. We continue this correspondence in the hope that we might

> resolve matters with you such that litigation is unnecessary.

 

Yes we are aware of your lawsuits. Despite the fact that I don't live in the US and the laws MPAA follows does not apply here, it is our intention to cooperate in resolving issues you have, in a reasonable fashion.

 

> As we have said repeatedly, a significant amount of copyright

> infringement is occurring as a result of your website and tracker.

> Apart from the knowledge you have by virtue of your day to day operation

> of the site and server, we have put you on notice that the infringement

> is occurring. The list of representative works that was attached to our

> notice letter was merely a sample of the infringement occurring on your

> site. We have requested that you stop the infringing conduct

> immediately. That you have automated the process of adding torrents to

> your website is not a defense. You have the ability to review torrents

> before posting them. You also have the ability to search your website

> and review the torrents that are already being distributed. There

> should be little doubt, for example, that "Ocean's Twelve" which is a

> torrent offered on your site is copyrighted and should not be

> distributed. A copyright holder is not obliged to monitor all the

> websites and the servers around the world to police and protect each and

> every work from those who would choose to close their eyes to ongoing

> infringement. It is incumbent on you to distribute only those torrents

> that correspond to files that you know are authorized to be distributed.

 

You repeatedly mention the "representative" list of works, which serves only to intimidate us as a search service. If you look at the Betamax vs. Universal case, the VCR was not deemed illegal since it is capable of legal use. isohunt.com is a content agnostic search service on indexing torrent links over the net, which is very much capable of legal use. While as a service we can filter content, and that is exactly how we cooperate by filtering identified copyrighted titles, we do not have the man power to manually verify the tens of thousands of torrent links, nor is it even technically possible without a complete list of copyrighted works to filter against. Since you seem to have trouble producing a complete list, a technical difficulty I can understand, you should also understand the same difficulty we have in making your copyrighted works magically disappear... somehow. So instead of calling it a complete list, which seems unfeasible, it should be referred to as a sufficient list. Without it, we cannot help you in filtering your works in our search results.

 

> Although you have suggested that you would like us to provide an index

> of copyrighted works to which you can refer regarding the torrents on

> your website, we simply do not find it credible that you are unable to

> identify as copyrighted material the many popular motion picture titles

> currently referenced on your website. To the extent you need further

> guidance, the United States Copyright Office maintains records of every

> motion picture and television program in the United States that has a

> copyright registration. Additionally, on-line databases provide

> information regarding who distributes motion pictures and television

> programs. You are already aware of at least one such source, the

> website imdb.com, to which you provide your users deep-links for motion

> pictures.

 

Read above. According to normal procedures of DMCA takedown, it is your responsibility to identify what maybe infringing your copyright, and then we will comply. Your notion that we should know every title MPAA owns, while you have difficulty producing such yourself, is absurd. Links to websites such as imdb.com is user submitted, while torrent links may be user submitted or indexed from other sources on the internet. We do not moderate this process, we don't have the resource to do so and it is not our policy.

 

> Finally, it continues to appear to be true that you have addressed the

> infringement of which we have put you on notice. Indeed, you have not

> removed those torrents that we specifically gave you notice. Your

> response that you should not have to undertake any action to address the

> ongoing infringement until we have agreed to the "arrangement" you have

> offered is not acceptable. You have an obligation to address the

> ongoing infringement. You may not offer less protection than we have a

> right to expect, and then condition that lesser protection on our

> agreeing that you should have to do nothing more.

 

It is not an arrangement, it is information necessary for us to cooperate. Unless filtering against your "representative" list is sufficient, which we then can use to filter to your satisfaction, please provide us with a list that is sufficient.

 

 

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Cheers,

Gary

isoHunt.com[/quote']

 

It seems the MPAA are stuck in a deadlock here.

 

As far as eXeem goes, it dosnt have as much publicity as other p2p have like Limewire, and neither is it in full version nor does it have a large peer collection.

[Sayonara]

Exeem is still in public beta. Give it a while.

[Guest Hypharse]

Not only did lokitorrent sell out, but they gave over logs on ALL 750,000 registered users. You can expect many a lawsuit to arise from that information.

[bloodhound]

damn. i cant remember now if i was registered or not

[Rekkr]

Shit, I was registered on lokitorrent. I just can't remember what I downloaded (if I did download anything). They can't possibly sue all 750,000 people. I expect they will only target the big uploaders.

[Sayonara]

They can only target the big uploaders, if they're expecting to 'win'.