how to deal with the death of this universe

[hoola]

If we live in a finite universe, it will have a finite life span. This limitation will be a result of the underlying minor flaws (viruses) of it's original informational logic construction, but still allowing reality to exist long enough for sentience to occur, so a way of our surviving this upcoming event is possible. If we were able to determine the conditions that led to this universe appearing in the first place, we may be able to create a new universe, with which to flee into as this one dematerializes. I see a condition of a true void being the main requirement. This would require a negation of the existing matter, energies, fields, and the dimensions themselves to occur within one specific finite region within this universe when the end is calculated to be immenent....Some engine to surround a small but finite space, that can remove all informational content and isolate this synthetic void from the rest of the universe, placed in deep space to access the purest vacuum available with which to have the least amount of information that needs removal. Within this pure void is the unknowable chaos. An "initializer" or amplifier, is needed to exaggerate the entropy fluctuations within this chaotic region, as the fluctuations have a tendency to not express areas of reduced entropy long enough or of the needed logic requirements to create universe-capable logic-sets very often, and we can't wait for another random "super-fluctuation" which created this universe...natural big bangs seem rather rare. This proposed machine must amplify these fluctuations to stimulate logic formation, but this does not necessarily lead to a logic set similar to ours, or even any logic set that would be of a property of creating a universe. If the logic were of the wrong parameter, a universe might result, but be incompatible with ours, and uninhabitable for us. So a refinement would have to be within the machine to not only cause entropy fluctuations, but one of a particular quality so as to cause a logic set that will lead to a universe with the same particle mass relations, constants of energy expressions, and the like. This will require a deep understanding of every knowable pertinent question within physics, as well as a complete understanding of the logic set of this universe. The one unknowable question of "where did he chaos come from" still to be answered, but not pertinent to the machine construction...the chaos is the "ultimate black box" which can be triggered to give a certain output, regardless of lack of knowledge of it's internal composition edd

Edited December 22, 2013 by hoola

[Endercreeper01]

What do you mean by the universe dying?

[hoola]

dematerialization

[hoola]

a point of clarification is in order to compare the synthetic void within the machine, and the natural void that exists outside the normal bounds of the universe....they are the same. Each are regions of "clean" chaos. Any two things of identical informational description are the same, and any two things with no informational content are the same. Another universe can naturally pop up only outside of our universe, as there is no area devoid of information within our universe. Any information would disallow the chaos noise floor to deliver an uncorrupted logic output data stream. Any logic spontaneously arising from a quasi-void (deep space) would quickly be informationaly altered, probably by dark energy, and would end in perhaps some small expression of energies, but no sustained logic construction. Perhaps some of the puzzling reports of high energies appearing out of areas with no evidence as to their origin, could be these "corrupted proto-universes" arising in a quasi-void region, in a spontaneous brief appearance, and then collapse...there could be a zoo variety of these events as the collapse would ensue differently with differing random inputs of contamination altering the logic set, causing differing energies, frequencies and event durations in collapse output....edd

Edited December 22, 2013 by hoola

[Dekan]

Hoola, are you a computer program?

[hoola]

yes, in the sense that the maths are a computer program, with a near infinite and increasing program complexity, to the point that "islands of stability" within the program have developed "points" of sentience...and this universe is a device, or display mechanism of one particular set of information's surface features. As the underlying rules of logic call for an endless math construction, a natural sub-set of derived algorithms describe this universe, which runs in tandem with the greater body of the maths.....a number of universes may be constructed with flexible, yet logical sets of principles. This is a sort of "assembly line" of constructions, with an economy of basic components...in our material case, largely hydrogen....this would give the most (big) bang for the buck, or a concept of efficiency in overall constructions. I begin with a guestimate that an equal amount of change (work) occurred within the 4 stages of my TOE 1. (Chaos to Logic to early Maths) 2. (Math maturity to singularity formation) 3. (singularity maturation to expression). The expression is the "big bang", an obsolete term, and should be discarded. 4. ( post expression of energy to mature physical reality)...edd

Edited December 27, 2013 by hoola

[Endy0816]

I do wonder about that sometimes, could a program pass the Turing test by posting on a science forum?

 

 

Anyways I don't feel we know enough at this point to say that the Universe will die. Best we can do is extrapolate based on present conditions, which we know were different in the past.

 

Black holes have a good bit of stored matter/energy, so worst comes to worst they should keep things going longer than otherwise.

 

Form change is probably most viable option with what we know at present. Just about going to have to anyways if we want to venture out into the larger Universe. Start small with synthetics, genetic engineering, machine incorporation and work our way up to the more exotic.

[hoola]

yes, we don't know if or how the universe would "die". I was extrapolating on the fundamental concept of ...if something is born (big bang), than it has to die....but if the BB was not a "birth" in a logical sense of the word, then the problem is what was the BB? Was there some other earlier state that could be related to as a "birth". I thought proton decay was thought to eventually eliminate matter in a trillion years or so....if the universe is a "steady state" of matter/energy going through various transformations, that doesn't explain why stuff is there to be "transformed".

[Dekan]

Hoola, you're asking questions that no-one can answer. Even the mods don't know.

[hoola]

and perhaps shouldn't be asked if such contemplations are against the will of god and the grace of the king......ah, there ain't no life nowhere (hendrix '67)

[hoola]

if the singularity had a "central figure" of PI plotting out information, and this information manifested the "big expression", then the resulting points of space became clones of the original PI, all in sync in mathematically identical informational outputs. All points of space emitting the same frequency means they are defacto entangled as they have the same description moment to moment. This is because the rate of calculation of the next digit of PI is fixed, and the next resultant is also fixed, regardless of which point in space is emitting. So space itself is essentially all cloned from this "central figure", establishing the basic framework for other (near) instantaneous events being possible on a macro scale such as gravity between orbiting bodies and entanglements of elemental particles, which I can see as intimately related due to "casual entanglements" of random particles. If all points of space are putting out similar radiation, then the distance differentials between all the points causes them to mix or average out in a homogenous tensor field of an averaged energy flux, or dark energy on the macro level....edd

on the issue of space being composed of separated points, I see a maintenance of separation caused by opposing force between the adjoining points, as they would repel each other as two similarly charged electons or protons would. The basis of repulsion here being of similar instantaneous outputs, being felt as similar "charges" by immediate neighbors, maintaining a homogenous granularity of space. This microscopic scale force is the dark energy on the macro scale...edd