A couple new laws, and a hopeful step closer to explaining gravity

[Popcorn Sutton]

I want to draw on interdisciplinary evidence to spark a train of thought into what gravity actually is. Here's a few links that I think are appropriate.

 

Gravity is stronger near extremely cold objects.

 

Magnet-

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_cold_and_hot_temperature_affect_the_strength_of_a_magnet

 

Black Hole-

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/971111e.html

 

Also, rats live longer in colder temperatures.

http://joshmitteldorf.scienceblog.com/2013/02/25/cold-temperature-and-life-span-its-not-about-the-rate-of-living/

 

We also know of the ice man mummy who survived this long because he was buried in ice.

 

Cold temperatures preserve the structure of the bodies that are exposed to them, and I assume that it's a very fundamental property of longevity.

 

Entropy is extremely reduced in the cold as well. Take a drop of red dye and put it on a block of ice, it does not disperse throughout the ice.

 

A bubble can exist much longer if it is frozen. This suggests that the center of our atoms are actually very cold. The center of our planet is probably very cold, and even the center of our sun could be very cold.

 

I'd like to propose a new law-

Preservation requires refrigeration.

 

It sounds like a truism to me.

 

Given this law, we can say that there must be a point of refrigeration for every unitary element in this observable universe at least until it decays.

 

I'd like to suggest that there is essentially a black hole at the center of every solid object (including photons etc.)

 

Because gravity is so strong at a point that is so cold, we would have to assume that there is a correlation between low temperatures and gravity itself.

 

I'd also like to propose another new law-

Absolute zero is perfection.

 

What I mean by perfection is that there is no possible way, given all the time possible, that any item at absolute zero will ever decay or otherwise disintegrate by itself.

 

This goes to suggest that any unit at absolute zero exists in time but is also independent of time because of its longevity.

 

Another point that I'd like to make is that anything that is in a state of entropy and has a temperature above absolute zero is being repelled by the point of refrigeration because heat rises.

 

This, of course, says that gravity is, in theory, a repulsive force. (And I think that there is plenty of evidence to support that claim.)

 

I'd like for us to collaborate on an equation about this if the moderators permit.

[Strange]

Gravity is stronger near extremely cold objects.

 

Not true.

 

 

Magnet-

http://wiki.answers....gth_of_a_magnet

 

Nothing to do with gravity.

 

 

Black Hole-

http://imagine.gsfc....rs/971111e.html

 

You are confusing cause and effect. A star (which is hot) with a given mass will have exactly the same gravity as a black hole of the same mass. Actually, the star will have slightly more gravity because there will be a contribution from its energy as well as its mass.

 

 

Also, rats live longer in colder temperatures.

http://joshmitteldor...rate-of-living/

 

We also know of the ice man mummy who survived this long because he was buried in ice.

 

Nothing to do with gravity.

 

 

Cold temperatures preserve the structure of the bodies that are exposed to them, and I assume that it's a very fundamental property of longevity.

 

There are many other ways of preserving things. Vacuum, canning, pickling, ... They all prevent or slow the activity of bacteria and moulds. There is nothing special about freezing.

 

You could just as well suggest that vinegar has more gravity because it makes things last longer.

 

 

Given this law, we can say that there must be a point of refrigeration for every unitary element in this observable universe at least until it decays.

 

This is only true for biological and, possibly, chemcial activity. It has no effect on radioactive decay, the lifetime of unstable particles, etc.

 

 

This, of course, says that gravity is, in theory, a repulsive force. (And I think that there is plenty of evidence to support that claim.)

 

That seems like a non sequitur. (And what is the evidence supporting it?)

[imatfaal]

edit - x-posted with strange

 

I want to draw on interdisciplinary evidence to spark a train of thought into what gravity actually is. Here's a few links that I think are appropriate.

Gravity is stronger near extremely cold objects.

Magnet-
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_cold_and_hot_temperature_affect_the_strength_of_a_magnet

 

Gravity is not stronger near cold objects. Your first link is describing magnetic attraction (not brilliantly either)

 

 

 

I want to draw on interdisciplinary evidence to spark a train of thought into what gravity actually is. Here's a few links that I think are appropriate.

Gravity is stronger near extremely cold objects.

Magnet-
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_cold_and_hot_temperature_affect_the_strength_of_a_magnet

Black Hole-
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/971111e.html

 

Also not the case for black holes - your link does concern temperature but you have it in reverse, the larger a black hole, the greater the mass etc, and also the colder the hawking radiation - but you cannot claim the reverse effect that you could chill a black hole and thus increase its gravity as we have no way of proposing a mechanism for that

 

And the rat's thing - take a rat down to the temperature of a black hole or a superconductor per your other links and you have a rat-popsicle.

 

I didn't read much further as your first three claims seemed wrong a/o absurd

[swansont]

Magnetism ≠ gravity, but that's been covered.

Take a drop of red dye and put it on a block of ice, it does not disperse throughout the ice.

It doesn't disperse because it's on a solid. You would need to separate these effects.

A bubble can exist much longer if it is frozen. This suggests that the center of our atoms are actually very cold. The center of our planet is probably very cold, and even the center of our sun could be very cold.

 

Um, no.

[Popcorn Sutton]

 

Not true.

 

 

Nothing to do with gravity.

 

 

You are confusing cause and effect. A star (which is hot) with a given mass will have exactly the same gravity as a black hole of the same mass. Actually, the star will have slightly more gravity because there will be a contribution from its energy as well as its mass.

Take a look,

http://hubblesite.org/explore_astronomy/black_holes/encyc_mod3_q14.html

 

We measure the "mass" of a black hole by looking at its gravitational influence. So a 1 to 1 correspondence between a black hole and our sun is measured by the gravity itself. It's circular reasoning. So our sun could be 10000 times larger than the black hole that "has the same mass". My point is that the sun could easily take up a lot more space than a black hole with the same gravitational influence.

 

 

Magnetism ≠ gravity, but that's been covered.

 

I've seen how electromagnetism can defy gravity... but I've also seen acoustic levitation as well thanks to your blogging Swansont. I don't think that anyone has fully explained why magnets works, it's been a question of mine since I was very young so I should know this by now and I do search it every now and then to see if there is an explanation yet. I have a hypothesis about it, but for now, I would like to draw a correlation between a magnetic force and cooling.

 

I think we all know that the black hole at the center of our galaxy has an extremely strong gravitational influence on its surroundings. It's also one of the coldest places, if not the coldest place, we know of. Our galaxy just happens to be solid around this thing in the center.

 

Swansont, look at this image, it demonstrates my point about frozen bubbles.

 

 

That seems like a non sequitur. (And what is the evidence supporting it?)

Volcanoes, decay, light escaping the sun. Basically, hot things rise and cool things fall. Stuff that has more potential for heat rises, and stuff that is harder to heat typically stays grounded.

[swansont]

 

I've seen how electromagnetism can defy gravity... but I've also seen acoustic levitation as well thanks to your blogging Swansont. I don't think that anyone has fully explained why magnets works, it's been a question of mine since I was very young so I should know this by now and I do search it every now and then to see if there is an explanation yet. I have a hypothesis about it, but for now, I would like to draw a correlation between a magnetic force and cooling.

 

I think we all know that the black hole at the center of our galaxy has an extremely strong gravitational influence on its surroundings. It's also one of the coldest places, if not the coldest place, we know of. Our galaxy just happens to be solid around this thing in the center.

 

Swansont, look at this image, it demonstrates my point about frozen bubbles.

 

 

I "defy" gravity whenever I walk up stairs or use an elevator. But these devices are not manifestations of a gravitational force. They are simply an application of newton's laws of motion. You can "defy" any one force with the application of some other force of sufficient magnitude.

 

Regardless of your, or others', knowledge of magnetism, it is not gravity. It is a separate interaction.

 

Yes you can freeze bubbles. Solids are rigid while liquids are not. This is not exactly groundbreaking science.

[Strange]

We measure the "mass" of a black hole by looking at its gravitational influence. So a 1 to 1 correspondence between a black hole and our sun is measured by the gravity itself. It's circular reasoning.

 

Not so much circular reasoning as using the results of very well-tested theory. All sorts of things "could" be true. But you can't use that as evidence.

 

 

I've seen how electromagnetism can defy gravity...

 

So can rope. It is still nothing to do with gravity.

 

 

I don't think that anyone has fully explained why magnets works

 

I don't know what sort of explanation you are looking for. It is basically the same as electrostatic force (between charges). Feynman explains why there is a limit to how far science can "explain" things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjmtJpzoW0o

 

 

I think we all know that the black hole at the center of our galaxy has an extremely strong gravitational influence on its surroundings.

 

But no more than any other object of the same mass. (The theory of black holes is based on relativity, which is also the theory that explains gravity. So you can't use speculation about black holes to contradict GR. And certainly not unsupported speculation.)

 

 

It's also one of the coldest places, if not the coldest place, we know of.

 

Citation needed. Also, it is not going to be cold for long it is about to start (if it isn't already) absorbing a cloud of gas and getting very hot.

 

 

Our galaxy just happens to be solid around this thing in the center.

 

In what sense is the galaxy solid?

 

 

Volcanoes, decay, light escaping the sun.

 

None of that has anything to do with gravity, and certainly not as a repulsive force.

 

 

Basically, hot things rise and cool things fall.

 

That is to do with the change of density (note that cold ice floats on warm water). If gravity were repulsive, it would be the other way round.

 

 

Stuff that has more potential for heat rises, and stuff that is harder to heat typically stays grounded.

 

Citation needed.