Relativity and nuclear interactions (split from GR)

[dgtaylor]

A simple question: has it ever occurred to anyone that at the sub-atomic scale accelerators have confirmed both mass increase and time distortions. If that were true, then as an object moved at a Relativistic Speed, then the atoms/nuclear particles on that object would increase in mass and the Bosons (very particularly the Gluons - the Strong Nuclear Force particles) would slow. The time distortions occur in General Relativity as well, and because the energy for any slowed Boson would have to go somewhere, the nuclear particles would increase in mass. So more complex atomic cores would absorb energy and break up - into simpler elements. In re-uniting energy and matter that way some might say that would mean a reversal of entropy in objects where General Relativistic effects were very high - like Galactic or Stellar/Globular Cluster Cores. There is also a mathematic argument that there is a light speed limit to escape velocity. So matter could escape from Schwarzschild objects [s.O], but because of the Bosons would slowdown and concentrate (collectively increasing in density) at the core of any S.O. they could not. The Mathematic arguments are considerable for this and have been numerically confirmed to be consistent with most current Physics principles. I can forward the mathematic arguments for this idea at the tiniest hint of interest from anyone.

 

[imatfaal]

A simple question: has it ever occurred to anyone that at the sub-atomic scale accelerators have confirmed both mass increase and time distortions.

 

Yes it has and yes they do.

 

 

If that were true, then as an object moved at a Relativistic Speed, then the atoms/nuclear particles on that object would increase in mass and the Bosons (very particularly the Gluons - the Strong Nuclear Force particles) would slow.

 

Gluons as massless bosons would travel at the speed of light in all circumstances, I think; if there were such thing as a free gluon which there isn't. virtual particles (the things on feynman diagrames) make up their own rules to an extent.

 

 

The time distortions occur in General Relativity as well, and because the energy for any slowed Boson would have to go somewhere, the nuclear particles would increase in mass. So more complex atomic cores would absorb energy and break up - into simpler elements.

 

As I dont believe the gluons actng as messenger particles for the Strong Nuclear force would slow in the reference frame of the particle itself (nor in any reference frame - but I am less sure of that) I see no reason for the protons or neutrons to breakdown whatsoever. FYG the residual nuclear force which holds protons and neutrons together is not mediated by the gluon

Your predictions of what happens in one frame must tally after transformation with your calculations in another; so set your reference frame to that of the lead ion moving at a significant percentage of lightspeed. Why in that ions frame should the calculations lead you to believe that it will break up? Hint - viewed from the outside frame of the linear accelerator it flattens in the direction of travel but remains a lead ion.

 

Or set your reference to that of the Muon formed in the upper atmosphere and plummeting towards earth. In the frame of the muon the distance to earth is lessened so that it makes it to earth in its short life time. In the frame of earth its lifeclock is slowed so that it has enough time to hit the earth. But the clock is not slowed in the frame of the muon - nor the distance shortened in the frame of the earth

[Strange]

 

Gluons as massless bosons would travel at the speed of light in all circumstances, I think;

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As I dont believe the gluons actng as messenger particles for the Strong Nuclear force would slow in the reference frame of the particle itself (nor in any reference frame

 

That is my understanding, as well.

There is also a mathematic argument that there is a light speed limit to escape velocity.

 

Note that, while this may be true, it is not the reason that nothing can escape from a black hole.

[swansont]

because the energy for any slowed Boson would have to go somewhere, the nuclear particles would increase in mass. So more complex atomic cores would absorb energy and break up - into simpler elements. .

I'm not following why you think this would happen.

 

Whatever physics is going on has to work in any inertial frame you choose, including the rest frame of the nucleus. There is no extra energy in this frame that would permit a breakup, so there is no extra energy in any frame. The mass increase you're referring to is simply the kinetic energy of the nucleus (this is a problem in using relativistic mass — it messes up the calculations when you keep two sets of books and don't keep them separate) and that's zero in the rest frame.