Function Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 (edited) Hello In preparation for the acceptance exam for Med school, inheritance is very important. I just discovered how I can see whether a disease is dominant or recessive. There's only one problem: I don't know how to tell if the disease is so-called 'gender-related' (or X-chromosome linked). Take the following example: Healthy brother has an affected sister. They have an affected father and a healthy mother. The affected father has a healthy sister. They are the result of healthy parents. The mother has a healthy brother. They are the result of a healthy father and an affected mother. I can tell this disease is recessive. I do this by reasoning as following: (please tell me if there's a shorter way) Let's assume the disease is recessive and displayed by genotype aa. Healthy would thus mean a genotype Aa or AA. Daughter has sickness: aa Her brother (son): Aa or AA Father: aa Mother: Aa or AA Should mother be AA, then daughter should also be Aa, which is not the case --> mother: Aa Result: brother: Aa Mother's father: aa; since mother: Aa, mother's mother must be Aa. Result: mother's brother: Aa Since father: aa, both his healthy parents should be Aa. Result: father's brother: Aa. No problems are found, so the disease is recessive. Affirmation: suppose the disease is dominant. Daughter: Aa/AA Brother: aa Mother: aa Father: Aa (since daughter must have an A) Father's healthy parents: aa; since both his parents should be aa, he could not be Aa. Result: the system is in error, so the disease cannot be dominant. So, it's confirmed the sickness is recessive. 2 questions: * Can this be done in a shorter way? * How can I see this disease is not X-chromosome linked? I don't really get this part, because I'd say that it is X-chromosome linked, for both the daughter and her father have the disease. In some way, thus, I guess mother's mother must have something to do with it? Thanks. Ta-ta Function Edited April 8, 2014 by Function Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chadn737 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Its not X-linked. The key is here: "Healthy brother has an affected sister. They have an affected father and a healthy mother. The affected father has a healthy sister. They are the result of healthy parents. The mother has a healthy brother. They are the result of a healthy father and an affected mother." Males, remember have only a single X-chromosome in normal circumstances and they get it from the mother. You are right, this is a recessive trait, which means that the great-grandmother has two copies of the disease causing allele. If it were X-linked, the grandmother's brother would be affected as it is almost certain he would get a disease causing allele. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Function Posted April 9, 2014 Author Share Posted April 9, 2014 You are right, this is a recessive trait, which means that the great-grandmother has two copies of the disease causing allele. If it were X-linked, the grandmother's brother would be affected as it is almost certain he would get a disease causing allele. I'm afraid I still don't really get it. Why do you suddenly bring in a great-grandmother? I thought it was just the grandmother who has two copies of this recessive disease-allele? And nothing is given of grandmother's brother. He's not in this family tree. Perhaps you mean mother's brother? If this is the case, I think I get it: uncle gets one of the two affected X-chromosomes of grandmother, so should have the disease (I just accepted this; is the Y-chromosome not affecting the result, even when it doesn't carry the recessive-disease-causing allele? I mean, will a X-linked disease always affect a male when his mother has two copies of the causing allele, even when he has a completely healthy father, resulting in chromosomes XdYD? (Xd is X-chromosome with causing allele, YD is Y-chromosome with no causing allele)), but he hasn't, so the disease is not X-linked but autosomal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chadn737 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I'm afraid I still don't really get it. Why do you suddenly bring in a great-grandmother? I thought it was just the grandmother who has two copies of this recessive disease-allele? And nothing is given of grandmother's brother. He's not in this family tree. Perhaps you mean mother's brother? If this is the case, I think I get it: uncle gets one of the two affected X-chromosomes of grandmother, so should have the disease (I just accepted this; is the Y-chromosome not affecting the result, even when it doesn't carry the recessive-disease-causing allele? I mean, will a X-linked disease always affect a male when his mother has two copies of the causing allele, even when he has a completely healthy father, resulting in chromosomes XdYD? (Xd is X-chromosome with causing allele, YD is Y-chromosome with no causing allele)), but he hasn't, so the disease is not X-linked but autosomal? I meant the affected grandmother and the unaffected Uncle. I counted that wrong yesterday. Yes. In an X-linked recessive disease, any sons of an affected Mother will have the disease. The Y-chromosome does not compensate for this. If this disease were X-linked then the Uncle should be affected. That he is not means it is autosomal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Function Posted April 9, 2014 Author Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) I meant the affected grandmother and the unaffected Uncle. I counted that wrong yesterday. Yes. In an X-linked recessive disease, any sons of an affected Mother will have the disease. The Y-chromosome does not compensate for this. If this disease were X-linked then the Uncle should be affected. That he is not means it is autosomal. Ah, wonderful. I think I get it +2 Thanks! Edited April 9, 2014 by Function Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Function Posted April 9, 2014 Author Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) One more thing, just to be sure: Imagine a recessive, X-linked disease. Father is carrier of the allele, and must thus be sick. Mother is not carrier of the allele. Conclusion: all the daughters are carriers of the allele, and none of the sons are, and none of the children is affected by the recessive disease. Reasoning: XDXD + XdYD = XDXd, XDXd, XDYD, XDYD With (X/Y)D a sex-chromosome without the disease causing allele, and Xd an X-chromosome with the disease causing allele. Healthy dominates sick, so none has the disease, but 2/4 are carriers. Correct? Edited April 9, 2014 by Function Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chadn737 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 One more thing, just to be sure: Imagine a recessive, X-linked disease. Father is carrier of the allele, and must thus be sick. Mother is not carrier of the allele. Conclusion: all the daughters are carriers of the allele, and none of the sons are, and none of the children is affected by the recessive disease. Reasoning: XDXD + XdYD = XDXd, XDXd, XDYD, XDYD With (X/Y)D a sex-chromosome without the disease causing allele, and Xd an X-chromosome with the disease causing allele. Healthy dominates sick, so none has the disease, but 2/4 are carriers. Correct? If one half are daughters correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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