ADVANCE Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 (edited) Hi, I am 18 and although I know a lot about physics and stuff I am probably missing lots of knowledge and probably even simple things in physics. My idea from what I know follows physics and I think it could work maybe, I first realized it when I was 14 and still I have no proof it can't be made/work, and am obviously then wishing for it to be studied and built by the people that could test and make it. So here is my whole plan below, with I know some extreme possibilities if the beginning works, and then those extremer things might work. So here it is below... (it's a saved paste of everything) So could we under a Ultra-High-Vacuum Atomic-Force-Microscope (UHV AFM) or a custom built one to achieve this build at the atomic level something stationary connected to a power slate in the microscope that comes out to the computer which has the source of electrical energy and the atomic thing will shoot out focused photons (magnetism) / 4 beams at an atom to push or above the sides to pull in and can move the atom around anywhere above it except for the extreme sides and with each atom-mover having 4 somewhat spaced apart photon shooters could fit more to detect where the atoms are from registering when the photons come back to make images/data and then now by computer command send electricity and the photons shot out and it would move atoms quickly from element blocks inside to make a copy of itself above it connected to another energy slate at the top and then these two would make quadrillions more to make two see-able sheets at the top and bottom and then we could maybe have them come out by setting them up to detect all oxygen atoms and shoot them away and then open the microscope up. Then we could move many atoms around to make things or move mass amounts of bonded atoms and should be able to fly things around and could hold stuff in place and could sit in the air and open walls ect. And then the next plan would be to have every cell opened up in mid space and every atom recorded to computer where they were and which one is what type of atom and then change all the cells on computer to make them never stop/ect. so they would make us be eternal and never die, and then open up every organ and record where each cell is and which one is what type of cell and change the system too on computer and then the computer could control all the atom movers to instantly make any type of organ or cell OR eternal organ or eternal cell and could replace the ones in our bodies to these ones and be eternal, or other ways for ex. make a whole empty eternal body or brain and connect you to it to be in it. And yet even a further step with this is to have the sheets make a big sphere of them with possibly a layer of atom movers and atom see-er on the outside and inside and could make/move anything on the outside or inside and could open itself up to move it out of itself, and the sphere, or two spheres could fly around by shooting out the photons and could make each other grow bigger and could govern the astroids/planets and people too, and could make endless energy in them by doing hydrogen fusion in them like the sun and take hydrogen or oxygen atoms and forcing them together and then those ones together until big energy released, even further, we could become a being that's bigger, has this creation in us to control with our mind, and could possibly BE a flying sphere like that with our consciousness in it, and could make music from our bodies by vibrating the air atoms by thinking about it and controlling it, and could make heaven in space, and after making all that, could possibly develop the ability to move the particles or more easily change atoms into other types of atoms, anyhow could this work? We should maybe actually try this?? Edited April 12, 2014 by ADVANCE
Endy0816 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 A couple different ways we can move atoms around. Problem is doing it in a controlled fashion. There's different 3D printing technologies coming online. Most are operating on the macroscopic level though. Cloning would be a vastly simpler way to make a whole body. Obvious ethical issues, but relatively easy for us to pull off. Possibly we could rig a direct biological connection or a machine-aided connection between the two and transfer consciousness that way. Questionable how much of "You" would actually transfer, but we could probably manage something. We have no evidence for any form of free energy(and quite a bit against). That last bit is probably not going to happen.
ACG52 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 First of all, punctuation is your friend. Second, there are already laser optical tweezers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_tweezers Cool diagram. This was the simple version. 2
ADVANCE Posted April 15, 2014 Author Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) A couple different ways we can move atoms around. Problem is doing it in a controlled fashion. There's different 3D printing technologies coming online. Most are operating on the macroscopic level though. Cloning would be a vastly simpler way to make a whole body. Obvious ethical issues, but relatively easy for us to pull off. Possibly we could rig a direct biological connection or a machine-aided connection between the two and transfer consciousness that way. Questionable how much of "You" would actually transfer, but we could probably manage something. We have no evidence for any form of free energy(and quite a bit against). That last bit is probably not going to happen. Cloning like that though is just a thing you can do, but my device I want to build can instantly make anything and move anything, well you know as I said above about it... Also I'm sure that to transfer the consciousness you have to transfer at least what is necessary which could be the whole conscious organ in the middle which is just connected to memory ect. or maybe all the brain with memory has to be brought over........don't forget that if the consciousness stops ever then you can't be brought back, it would then be a new conscious in the body and u are not conscious anymore, thatttt's why when you sleep you have to be conscious and dream and are conscious, if you don't ever remember most of it it's because the brain erases it, so you can get to morning time without waiting, although I still feel it took long for during as I was sleeping so maybe you still feel you were waiting and all that time haha... Well the oxygen orrr hydrogen fusion it could perform with its quadrillions of or 2 atom-movers (photon-shooters) would be turning matter into pure energy and I'm sure it at least with chain reaction right ? would give infinite power to this ultimate creation.... Edited April 15, 2014 by ADVANCE
Endy0816 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 You would still be constrained by the laws of thermodynamics.
ADVANCE Posted April 16, 2014 Author Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) You would still be constrained by the laws of thermodynamics. What would that do to the single atom-mover/or all the multiplied atom-movers shooting out photons? Over heat them are you saying? Can you explain why it/they would over heat and where it would come from? What about these 4 possibilities - 1 what if each one was spaced out 2 and or had carry-away vines and or 3 was made a bit bigger or 4 there really would'nt be any over heating to tear or move the atoms making them up? A 2cd problem I was thinking of is would photons bouncing back to them destroy them, maybe even normal light would... But I also thought what if we just do it in a open area so no bounce back and normal light won't hurt it orrr if so then do my 4 possibilities above to safeguard them and what about done in space even if had to. Do make sure to read all posts and also read all questions I just wrote above and go through/answer all them~ Also I don't think you meant about the oxygen orr hydrogen fusion when you said thermodynamics did you? It does'nt matter even we couuuld just connect to wall.... I do think though it would work I'm sure it would use little energy to force the atoms together and get lots of energy from all the matter with chain reactions turning into energy... Edited April 16, 2014 by ADVANCE
Endy0816 Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) I did read this. Main issue is that your ideas are not fully grounded in reality. Laws of Thermodynamics limit what can happen in any mechanical or biological system. Whatever you think up you need to make sure it at least makes sense within those rules. If you've got some wonder idea then work out the basic issues surrounding it. Wikipedia is your friend. Google can provide backup if your idea is really out there. You are one brain among many. Good odds someone else has already had that same basic idea already and figured out why it wouldn't work. Now not everything has been thought of yet, so there are still nuggets out there to be had, they just involve a bit of effort. People can help answer specific questions. There are no such thing as "atom movers shooting out photons" though, so nobody can answer your questions about them. Edited May 2, 2014 by Endy0816
ADVANCE Posted May 2, 2014 Author Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) Well photons can move atoms so it does follow physics and so I don't know if it can or can't work Well besides optical tweezers, which I don't know if can move around atoms with control, I'v never heard a word on the internet about this so................... When I said "atom movers shooting out photons" I mean the little atomic things - the multiplied septillions of them, are shooting out photons to move around atoms with control..... Oh and also you didn't say anything about in my reply you responded above to with my questions though concerning if the thermodynamics or bounce back photons and more possible problems would be problems...do you, or anyone else too have anything to say if they would be problems or you just don't know either? Edited May 2, 2014 by ADVANCE
Delta1212 Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 If you could store all the required information about each atom in the human body as a single bit (which you can't), storing a model of a single person would require enough space to store almost a million times the amount of information that passes through the entire Internet in a year. Mapping, storing and rebuilding a human one atom at a time is not a realistic goal.
ADVANCE Posted May 2, 2014 Author Posted May 2, 2014 If you could store all the required information about each atom in the human body as a single bit (which you can't), storing a model of a single person would require enough space to store almost a million times the amount of information that passes through the entire Internet in a year. Mapping, storing and rebuilding a human one atom at a time is not a realistic goal. Well no.....the computer connected to all the septillions of them would be connected to big storage and could say make 8 billion of this 1,000 atom thing...........Andddd and, with these things the glorifying part is after the first one and more are made they can whenever you need it, add on building sizes of atomic storage, and if they use photons to move atoms then they could possibly take apart the whole cells to atoms and keep them levitating and record them and then the cells of the organs and ect of the body system, and then command to create it and the ~smoke~ would come together in the made vacuum in the -no air- And as for seeing "mapping" the atoms, as I said above in my question um ya we could try something like that... And as for the smoke coming together to create anything ya that is all good and I mean if your thinking they would all mess up well each one is supposed to be perfect doing its job and should/could work...after first one is made then the rest would be perfect in sync too and would do that crazy-putting-together-of soooo-many-atoms-in-sync... -1
ADVANCE Posted May 10, 2014 Author Posted May 10, 2014 If anybody is wondering um well, the conversation ended up in my other thread somehow, and basically there's no test done that main problem is a problem, and also a upscale of this is in question...
John Cuthber Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 Well, for a start, there's the uncertainty principle. But on a more obvious note, there's the fact that you can't build anything like a human in UHV conditions because the water would boil away. If you try to do it at normal atmospheric pressure the air will add atoms (randomly) much faster than you can add them deliberately.
ADVANCE Posted May 14, 2014 Author Posted May 14, 2014 Well, for a start, there's the uncertainty principle. But on a more obvious note, there's the fact that you can't build anything like a human in UHV conditions because the water would boil away. If you try to do it at normal atmospheric pressure the air will add atoms (randomly) much faster than you can add them deliberately. John whattt, you or anyone else wasn't thinking that were you....that means you didn't read the big above paragraph.....facepalm facepalm facepalm................... As you should know...after the multipled trillions come out, of the microscope, they are supposed to be able to move the air away and build for ex. a human in total vacuum perfectly...
John Cuthber Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 John whattt, you or anyone else wasn't thinking that were you....that means you didn't read the big above paragraph.....facepalm facepalm facepalm................... As you should know...after the multipled trillions come out, of the microscope, they are supposed to be able to move the air away and build for ex. a human in total vacuum perfectly... TLDR however, it is still impossible because if you build a person, or bits of a person, in a vacuum, because the water will boil off faster than you can tweezer it in. On the other hand, you can't play with single atoms or (generally) single molecules except in a vacuum because they get knocked about by the air. And then there's the uncertainty principle.
ADVANCE Posted May 14, 2014 Author Posted May 14, 2014 TLDR however, it is still impossible because if you build a person, or bits of a person, in a vacuum, because the water will boil off faster than you can tweezer it in. On the other hand, you can't play with single atoms or (generally) single molecules except in a vacuum because they get knocked about by the air. And then there's the uncertainty principle. The idea was to have them shoot every air atom away and have all quadrillion thingys each fastely move atoms and build the for ex. human. Also john what do you think we could at least do this with - the next size up? Would 10,000 atom mass be big enough? How many atoms at least?
John Cuthber Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 You are still not paying attention here. The water will evaporate .
ADVANCE Posted May 15, 2014 Author Posted May 15, 2014 You are still not paying attention here. The water will evaporate . Oh are you talking about while in the middle of the air (which is pushed away) and in that vacuum the water would evaporate in it?
John Cuthber Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Do you understand that an area of space with little or no air or other gas in it is commonly referred to as a vacuum? Are you aware that people are mainly made of water? Do you understand that, in such a space, water would boil? Do you understand that, if there is much air or other gas present, that gas will bump into any surface- it may stick to it or it may just mess it up?
ADVANCE Posted May 16, 2014 Author Posted May 16, 2014 Do you understand that an area of space with little or no air or other gas in it is commonly referred to as a vacuum? Are you aware that people are mainly made of water? Do you understand that, in such a space, water would boil? Do you understand that, if there is much air or other gas present, that gas will bump into any surface- it may stick to it or it may just mess it up? K then I'd say to your post above U lol are not paying attention, the idea with the qaudrillions of photon shooters is to quicklyyy be adding atoms on from all sides one after another as fast as possible and nothing would float away or boil away...I'm really confused why you didn't know that about the supposed plan/idea of mine... D: ? -2
Ophiolite Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 ADVANCE, I thoroughly applaud you for your imagination and for your enthusiasm. Both are the life blood of scientific and technological advance. If more young people had these positive attributes we could go on to solve more problems more rapidly. I sense you are feeling somewhat frustrated by the posters replying to you who don't quite get what you are proposing. They keep going on about thermodynamics and evaporation in a vacuum and memory storage requirements and totally missing the main thrust of your idea. Am I right? Unfortunately the points they raise are valid ones and wishing it were not so will not make it not so. You think, it seems, that assembly can be readily accomplished with "quadrillions of photon shooters". Perhaps this is true, but you have completely, totally, utterly, comprehensively failed to address any part of how you would construct a "quadrillion photon shooters", or how you control them. You appear to think this is a minor issue, yet this lies at the heart of the matter. You are proposing something akin to someone in 1890 saying "All we have to do is make a thing with wings and make it go fast and we shall be able to fly." That is not science; that is storytelling. It may be very interesting story telling, but it has little or no technical value. Those members who have responded to you know enough physics to see that you have proposed very little and what you have proposed won't work. This should not discourage you, but instead use this as a platform from which to advance your knowledge. Don't do the reverse and try to defend what is, currently, a rather weak proposal. Ask questions: don't insist on your version of reality. Good luck. 1
Fuzzwood Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 K then I'd say to your post above U lol are not paying attention, the idea with the qaudrillions of photon shooters is to quicklyyy be adding atoms on from all sides one after another as fast as possible and nothing would float away or boil away...I'm really confused why you didn't know that about the supposed plan/idea of mine... D: ? Because physics won't let you, and it doesn't care how much you want it to.
ADVANCE Posted May 17, 2014 Author Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) ADVANCE, I thoroughly applaud you for your imagination and for your enthusiasm. Both are the life blood of scientific and technological advance. If more young people had these positive attributes we could go on to solve more problems more rapidly. I sense you are feeling somewhat frustrated by the posters replying to you who don't quite get what you are proposing. They keep going on about thermodynamics and evaporation in a vacuum and memory storage requirements and totally missing the main thrust of your idea. Am I right? Unfortunately the points they raise are valid ones and wishing it were not so will not make it not so. You think, it seems, that assembly can be readily accomplished with "quadrillions of photon shooters". Perhaps this is true, but you have completely, totally, utterly, comprehensively failed to address any part of how you would construct a "quadrillion photon shooters", or how you control them. You appear to think this is a minor issue, yet this lies at the heart of the matter. You are proposing something akin to someone in 1890 saying "All we have to do is make a thing with wings and make it go fast and we shall be able to fly." That is not science; that is storytelling. It may be very interesting story telling, but it has little or no technical value. Those members who have responded to you know enough physics to see that you have proposed very little and what you have proposed won't work. This should not discourage you, but instead use this as a platform from which to advance your knowledge. Don't do the reverse and try to defend what is, currently, a rather weak proposal. Ask questions: don't insist on your version of reality. Good luck. Lol...and k other people you have to stop negativing, because now I can't edit posts, just keep me near 0 at least, I'm only trying to help... Um Ophiolite when you said though I don't have how we would make the qaudrillions of the photon shooters - the atom movers, and how the're controlled, as I said above in opening post, the first one that's connected to computer outside/or inside with control from outside, would fly the atoms around and do the multiply process like that, and then all are connected to computer, and even if each needs its own connection to the computer, then during the multiplying process they could also build the connection/wire/and other things to the computer itself/or part of it it made for each one, which would be in the microscope below as the computer... I left off so far with swansont and others on my optical tweezers thread that the problem could be that the spectrum of single photons are different in size and bigger than the atom, and that the small powerful ones in the xray or gammaray range are small enough but may ionize the atom and make is jiggle, but actually I was just wondering today to ask though, more clearer at least, is if when a single same size or smaller xray or gammaray photon hits and ionizes the atom in vacuum, it shouldn't move it all around like shaking, because isn't the photon same size or smaller and hitting from one side and giving momentum to it and it should go in that one direction away as straight, not shaking, right? My second question at the moment also is could my big plan above work with not levitating one atom, but with a mass of like 10,000 atoms, maybe it could work? That would put us still, in heaven literally... And even if we conclude the atom would jiggle, there is no actual test/reference of what I said above, of it, I surely will have to test it then later... Hope to hear back. Edited May 17, 2014 by ADVANCE
John Cuthber Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 K then I'd say to your post above U lol are not paying attention, the idea with the qaudrillions of photon shooters is to quicklyyy be adding atoms on from all sides one after another as fast as possible and nothing would float away or boil away...I'm really confused why you didn't know that about the supposed plan/idea of mine... D: ? If you did that a lot of the atoms you added would bounce off. Also a lot of the molecules you were working with would collide in transit and end up in the wrong places. It doesn't matter whether you think I have read and understood what you wrote, because what you are talking about is impossible. It's not impossible, because we don't know how to do it. It is impossible because we know why it can not be done. Do you understand that? Incidentally, except by hijacking biology, I don't think there are many things which mankind has made a quadrillion of. There's certainly nothing that numerous and with anything like the complexity of what you are seeking. So, your idea is also impossible technologically.
ADVANCE Posted May 17, 2014 Author Posted May 17, 2014 But if a great-nanobot is finally made or IF one of my little stationary things is made, they would duplicate into that many yes...indeed...? ? ? ya...right? ya..... ?
John Cuthber Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 That's like asking if they sent a unicorn to the moon, they would duplicate into that many yes...indeed...? ? ? ya...right? ya..... ? They won't because they can't. Do you accept that? It isn't a matter or money or technology. It's not a matter of "we don't know how". It isn't possible. We can prove it isn't possible.
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