Could SPACE be composed of the SUM TOTAL - of - ALL FIELDS including the ElectroMagnetic and Gravitational Fields , to mention a couple ?

[Mike Smith Cosmos]

 

Yes, light can be circularly polarized. Photons are spin-1 particles. When they are absorbed, the atom's change of state must include a change (or re-shuffling) of the spin state of the electron.

 

 

What's the connection? The evidence that angular momentum is involved only occurs in the interaction between the photon and the atom. Not in the intervening space.

 

Further, an atom moving through space does not spontaneously change angular momentum — there is no interaction, and/or there is no spin in the space.

 

There are :

 

100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

photons [ 10 to the 89 photons ]

 

in the universe that shot out of the recombination of atoms at approx 300,000 years after big bang .

 

now mainly seen as the cosmic background radiation [CMB] .

 

presumably most of them have electro magnetic circular polarised spin fields . spread about . Could this not be a major ingredient of space.

 

Then there are the gravity fields caused by matter ,

100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

neutrons/proton/electrons [10 to the 80 particles ]

 

and dark matter [? fields ], and dark energy . [? fields ]

 

 

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.....?? ......Could all this not make up space , as opposed to being in space .....?????.....

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Ref for Numbers :- http://www.quora.com/Physics/How-many-photons-are-there-in-the-universe

 

mike

Edited April 26, 2014 by Mike Smith Cosmos

[swansont]

 

There are :

 

100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

photons [ 10 to the 89 photons ]

 

in the universe that shot out of the recombination of atoms at approx 300,000 years after big bang .

 

now mainly seen as the cosmic background radiation [CMB] .

 

presumably most of them have electro magnetic circular polarised spin fields . spread about . Could this not be a major ingredient of space.

 

Then there are the gravity fields caused by matter ,

100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

neutrons/proton/electrons [10 to the 80 particles ]

 

and dark matter [? fields ], and dark energy . [? fields ]

 

 

------------------------ ---------------------------- ------------------------------ -------------------------------------

.....?? ......Could all this not make up space , as opposed to being in space .....?????.....

------------------------ ----------------------------- ----------------------------- -------------------------------------

 

Ref for Numbers :- http://www.quora.com/Physics/How-many-photons-are-there-in-the-universe

 

mike

 

 

The issue of science is not to simply ask the question, but devise a way to find the answer. The question asked by the scientist is not "could this be so?", but rather "How do I test/investigate to see if this is so?"

 

If space was made of whatever, there would be implications of that. How would things behave as a result? That's the way to see what, if anything, space is "made of".

[Mike Smith Cosmos]

The issue of science is not to simply ask the question, but devise a way to find the answer. The question asked by the scientist is not "could this be so?", but rather "How do I test/investigate to see if this is so?"

 

If space was made of whatever, there would be implications of that. How would things behave as a result? That's the way to see what, if anything, space is "made of".

Well, in the case of (1) electro-magnetic waves , that has already been done. Say by maxwell. And they move off at 186,000 miles / second. And by scientists who have worked out that photons are spinning and circularly polarised so have no alternative but to travel in a straight line. And that photons are quantised in discrete amounts. So a lot has already been done by science. There it is out there ( electro magnetic fields , ) doing their photon, spinning thing, in discrete packages, zinging along in strait lines. (Ish) .

 

Now at the same time (2) matter and gravity and (3) dark matter is doing its attractive thing according to various laws. And (4) dark energy ( which we do not seem to know too much about ) other than it appears to be quite a lot of energy and It is doing its repulsion thing ! Out there !

 

So what is wrong with the idea that ,that is what space IS those four mixtures of things . Rather than these four activities work. IN space .

 

Which we then are left with trying to work out what this space is and how things relate to it ?

 

If all there is , is the four things, all we are left to find out is :- (3) and (4) what is dark matter and what is dark energy ? Not what is space , because space is the blend of these four things . (Say) .

 

So really the BIG players are DARK ENERGY and DARK MATTER being 96% of the whole thing of space!

 

The electro magnetism and the mass being the 4% minor perturbations of e-m waves and gravity distortions caused by photons and atoms .

 

We appear to have a lot of science yet to do 96% yet to do . That is assuming we do not unearth some even greater unknown in the future. Eek !

 

Mike

 

Ps if space is composed of something like 96% that we do not really have a scientific clue about. Maybe we would be better employed tending geraniums ?

If all there is , is the four things, all we are left to find out is :- (3) and (4) what is dark matter and what is dark energy ? Not what is space , because space is the blend of these four things . (Say) .

So really the BIG players are DARK ENERGY and DARK MATTER being 96% of the whole thing of space!

The electro magnetism and the mass being the 4% minor perturbations of e-m waves and gravity distortions caused by photons and atoms .

That is it then !

 

The two big players, dark matter and dark energy are the pushing apart of space and the pulling together of space like some vast potential energy sprung system and within it at a minor perturbation level matter and photons making up the night sky with all it's microwave background radiation and it's shinning stars and galaxies and dust ,gas and planet matter .

 

The whole lot having entered in , what could have appeared to us , from an orthogonal sideways time line, some 13.7 billion years ago in our universes history .

 

 

our time line up-down .

Orthogonal Time line outside (90degrees) to our universe . Across the top

Big Bang top left.

 

What is wrong with that ?

Edited April 27, 2014 by Mike Smith Cosmos

[swansont]

So really the BIG players are DARK ENERGY and DARK MATTER being 96% of the whole thing of space!

 

The electro magnetism and the mass being the 4% minor perturbations of e-m waves and gravity distortions caused by photons and atoms .

 

 

At one level, that should answer your question. If regular matter is such a small component, how could it possibly "make up" space?

 

At a broader level, the question to focus on is "how do we test this idea?" because there are implications.

 

If space is a substance, how can we be moving through it and stationary with respect to it at the same time? Because that's how nature behaves.

[Mike Smith Cosmos]

 

At one level, that should answer your question. If regular matter is such a small component, how could it possibly "make up" space?

 

At a broader level, the question to focus on is "how do we test this idea?" because there are implications.

 

If space is a substance, how can we be moving through it and stationary with respect to it at the same time? Because that's how nature behaves.

Why does it need to be dense or of substance. Many things we are designing now-er-days are not solid concrete or solid steel but are skeletal . So does some of the natural environment incorporate this concept where required ( birds, dandelion seeds, bones etc ) So we do not necessarily need a dense soup to make up space. Also the nature of Dark Energy and Dark matter could be anything.

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Just for the sake of a pure guess type solution .which is not intended to be serious , but just to show , at the moment with no real observations or evidence of these two Darks .( Energy and matter) .

 

There could be a thumping,great heevy type perforated singularity in the center of everything , with a massive circulating dynamo type attractive field permeating space within which the 4 % E-M and Radiation by photon operate in some form of equilibrium state.

 

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Mike

Edited April 27, 2014 by Mike Smith Cosmos

[swansont]

Why does it need to be dense or of substance.

It's your thread, you tell me! If it's not supposedly made of anything, what was the point of all this?

 

I know this is rubbish . but at the moment anything goes

No, not really. That's trolling. It makes me feel like you're wasting peoples' time if you aren't engaging in somewhat serious discussion.

[Mike Smith Cosmos]

 

It's your thread, you tell me!

 

You should know me better than that. I take people seriously, and I expect to be taken seriously. I think fairly laterally so some times things may sound fringe. In the lounge I might let my hair down slightly [ like the observer thread] even though there is a thread of profound truth in there somewhere. ]

 

 

My consideration on the four aspects I have introduced here :-

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1] E-M , Photons 2] atoms 3] Dark matter 4] Dark energy , as having a major contribution to SPACE

 

thus :-

 

1]The E-M and Photons are a minor player [by comparison ], yet precise field setter in Electro and Magnetic fields ( faraday and maxwell )

 

2]Matter in atoms are minor players [ by comparison ] yet precise field setter in gravity distortions (general theory of relativity Einstein )

 

3]Dark Matter is the Major Player in holding the Universe together by Gravitational fields

 

4]Dark Energy is the major expansive player, [ possibly by a rotating universe or other as yet unspecified Energy source.]( Rubens , Goedel )

 

FUNCTION and SPACE

 

The two major players holding the overall structure of space in place, and controlled.

The two minor players dealing with what constitutes space in the universe of light and matter at a finer scale.

 

 

That is what I am proposing here as the ingredients and structuring of SPACE .

 

In support of minor forces being responsible for major structures. The following three structures are supported with strength yet based on small threads under tension , small bars under compression, frail long , beams used to balance large structures.

 

These are illustrative examples.

 

Mike

Edited April 27, 2014 by Mike Smith Cosmos

[Mike Smith Cosmos]

Latest simulation by Nasa of Model of Universe, Space, Dark matter, Dark Energy [ May 7th/ 8th 2014 ]

 

Link :- http://www.space.com/13142-complete-universe-simulation-visualized-3d.html

 

First Three Videos worth watching to gain latest simulation , compared with observation of The Whole Universe. .

 

One Video follows after the other ( First Three wait between videos )

 

Mike

Edited May 7, 2014 by Mike Smith Cosmos