Gluons and Force carriers

[dibinvaderzim]

Hey guys!!!! I know that I haven't been on for umpteen months but I am back! I had so much homework and have been absent so I haven't been on for a while. Anyway, last time I posted i was talking about

gluons and how you could maybe hold together particles and i am back with that topic. So... First of all, since a gluon is that force carrier of the strong nuclear force, and force carriers inhibit the given force on the world, wouldn't it be that particles in the given target area, as long as bombarded with gluons, should stay together right? Now before commenting, please read this: I would not attempt to do this considering the fact you would need a particle accelerator and lead ions, not to mention that fact you would need to extract the quarks from the workspace ( i have no idea how to do that), and the extreme cost.

Please answer because i need to know because i want to be a particle physicist or nuclear....

By the way, two things. First, do you guys think i am a terrorist because of my first post? I must admit, it was a weird thing to start off with. Second, how do I gain reputation points? I would like to be known about (not in a ludicrous or harsh manner).

[mathematic]

Quarks and gluons do not have an independent existence. Mostly they are parts of nucleons. Under certain conditions quark-gluon plasmas can be created.

I forgot to mention hadons, but these things don't last long.

[dibinvaderzim]

gluonsi do realize that quarks do compose atoms and are unstable but i do not believe that gluons even compose atoms. it is like saying w bosons make up the world. but i don't know that much yet because i am twelve

[SamBridge]

Force has to be transmitted between two things, you can't just bombard something with gluons at a large distance and expect anything to happen, and that would be really hard considering gluons only have a range of a few fermtometers.

It's also impossible to isolate gluons as far as we know anyway because of color confinement. The gluons hold together quarks and nucleons so well and only amounts of energy strong enough to create more particles can break the bonds, so whenever you try and create free-gluons, you only end up creating more hadrons that they are attracted to.

Gluons don't "compose" atoms in the sense you think of, but they hold mass-full particles together through their color charge and also account for most of the energy that an atom has. The important thing to understand about bosons is that they don't "comprise" things, they mediate things, they interact between different fields in order to transmit a force from one field to another.

Edited April 19, 2014 by SamBridge

[dibinvaderzim]

in that case, if you had a secondary target it should function right?

and there is probably a way to rectify your gluons. If you can create them with lead ions there must be a way, maybe a different type of ion since they produce qgp

[SamBridge]

in that case, if you had a secondary target it should function right?

and there is probably a way to rectify your gluons. If you can create them with lead ions there must be a way, maybe a different type of ion since they produce qgp

If you had a secondary "target" with color charge AND the gluonic fields could reach it like a magnetic field could between two pieces of metal, sure, but gluonic fields have limited range so in reality they never would do such a thing beyond a few fermtometers, which is why they are only transmitted between nucleons and quarks. And you can't loophole that range limitation either, not without some real hard-core sci-fi no-evidence-for physics. I also don't see what lead ions have to do with anything, sounds like an old cold-fusion scam.

Edited April 19, 2014 by SamBridge

[dibinvaderzim]

actually, lead ions as much as it sounds gimmicky are what the lhc use sometimes and how you make quark gluon plasma. that is why at the bottom of my post you will notice the qgp.

[SamBridge]

actually, lead ions as much as it sounds gimmicky are what the lhc use sometimes and how you make quark gluon plasma. that is why at the bottom of my post you will notice the qgp.

Ok, and so what?

[dibinvaderzim]

so what? lead or heavy ions when accelerated into a target, can create qgp. Also, since it looks like you need two individual targets very close together, like a nucleus it looks like this theoretical device (if ever to work) would have better purposes for holding together unstable atoms like actinium.

[SamBridge]

so what? lead or heavy ions when accelerated into a target, can create qgp. Also, since it looks like you need two individual targets very close together, like a nucleus it looks like this theoretical device (if ever to work) would have better purposes for holding together unstable atoms like actinium.

But QGP doesn't hold individually isolated quarks, they are still bound in hadrons. QGP is still very fluid-like in nature because the bonds still exist, they aren't completely free like with a gas. Maybe at some exceedingly high temperature there could be separation, but as said before you're going to end up creating more particles with the energy you put into trying to isolate them. Even though the bonds between nucleons are broken down, the bonds between every quark isn't necessarily broken. I think this can explain the phenomena http://www.quora.com/Particle-Physics/Why-cant-you-get-a-free-quark-1

And, the reason atoms are radioactive is because the nucleus is big enough to exceed the boundaries of gluonic fields, where the strong force as no effect.

Edited April 20, 2014 by SamBridge

[dibinvaderzim]

there is probably some way to augment a gluonic field

[SamBridge]

there is probably some way to augment a gluonic field

There's probably a way for you to understand what I said so that you know what you were trying to suggesting isn't possible too.

Edited April 20, 2014 by SamBridge

[dibinvaderzim]

What about the island of stability? Even though they are related to magic numbers they probably have something to do gluonic fields. And I do understand gluonic fields and why this wouldn't work. I may not have the best understanding compared to you because you are practically a professional ( I don't kno,w) but you also have to thought I am only 12, thus do not have the best understanding compared to a professional scientist.

[SamBridge]

What about the island of stability? Even though they are related to magic numbers they probably have something to do gluonic fields. And I do understand gluonic fields and why this wouldn't work. I may not have the best understanding compared to you because you are practically a professional ( I don't kno,w) but you also have to thought I am only 12, thus do not have the best understanding compared to a professional scientist.

I'm definitely not a professional because if I was I'd have to care what other people thought of me. The island of stability doesn't require that gluons have an infinite range or that their mechanics be altered, it merely theorizes that nucleons in somewhat larger nuclei can have a larger binding energy between nucleons using a "magic" geometric structures that allow the nucleus to hold itself together with more efficiency, thus becoming more stable.

[dibinvaderzim]

After knowing ,y previous defeat, I have been looking at particles and learned abouta theoretical particle a glueball. They say it is possible for it to exist because gluons have color charge. The only supposed reason why the have not found itnyet is because gluons are very hard to detect.

[mathematic]

After knowing ,y previous defeat, I have been looking at particles and learned abouta theoretical particle a glueball. They say it is possible for it to exist because gluons have color charge. The only supposed reason why the have not found itnyet is because gluons are very hard to detect.

Gluons, like quarks, don't exist in isolation - makes them impossible to detect.

[dibinvaderzim]

I thought qgp allowed them to exist as free particles

[Mordred]

that's one of the theories however we would also suffer the problem of being able to detect them as well as replicating it in the lab. here is an article covering a possible future experiment to decouple the hadrons.

 

http://phys.org/news/2014-02-scientists-recreating-early-universe-quark-gluon.html

 

a more technical coverage of QCP is

 

http://nuclear.ucdavis.edu/~brovko/Quals/QGP_in_equilib.pdf

Edited June 7, 2014 by Mordred