electromagnetic solar systems

[sunshaker]

Electricity is produced by passing a magnet through a coil,

 

Our solar system travels through the galaxy similar to has shown below,

The planets orbit the sun, planets are made of elements which are mostly metals,

The sun can be classed as the magnet passing through the coil of planets,

 

Our universe/battery was created to produce electric currents, (battery) to fuel some super beings mobility scooter.

 

 

[swansont]

planets are made of elements which are mostly metals

 

Citation needed.

 

 

 

If the primary attraction between planets was electromagnetic in nature, it should be trivial to measure it. Where are the measurements?

 

The sun and any planet would have to have opposite charge. How could any moon orbit a planet?

[sunshaker]

I haven't thought it all through yet,

While watching cosmos Sunday, Michael Faraday inventor of the generator, Was producing electric by passing a magnet through a coil,

Which made me think about the passage of our sun through the galaxy

 

The sun the magnet the planets(metal cores) the coil, This would produce/create some kind of effect/field,

The field is what we call electricity, We do not create electricity we only borrow it from this "field".

 

simulation showing passage of solar system

http://davidwarlick.com/images1/vidaday2-28-13.png

 

[Bignose]

I haven't thought it all through yet,

While watching cosmos Sunday, Michael Faraday inventor of the generator, Was producing electric by passing a magnet through a coil,

Which made me think about the passage of our sun through the galaxy

Just because two things look the same, that doesn't mean they are the same. A bowl of banana-strawberry yogurt is pink, but that doesn't make it the same as a flamingo.

 

You need more that just 'looks the same' here. A lot more. Because you are essentially asking us to set aside the theory of gravity, one of the most verified theories we know today.

[swansont]

I haven't thought it all through yet,

 

Well, I think that's obvious. The protocol is not to look for parts that might work, it's to try and falsify the idea, i.e. find the parts that aren't consistent with the evidence.

 

So unless you can answer the objections that people raise, it's a non-starter. You must address these.

[arc]

There is some evidence of an electric component to our Sun.

 

The first is the discovery of concentrated cosmic ray sources at close proximity to Earth.

 

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20436-strange-cosmic-ray-hotspots-stalk-southern-skies.html#.U3wCCfldUeg

 

"Cosmic rays crashing into the Earth over the South Pole appear to be coming from particular locations, rather than being distributed uniformly across the sky. Similar cosmic ray "hotspots" have been seen in the northern skies too, yet we know of no source close enough to produce this pattern."

 

"It's a mystery because the hotspots must be produced within about 0.03 light years of Earth. Further out, galactic magnetic fields should deflect the particles so much that the hotspots would be smeared out across the sky. But no such sources are known to exist."

 

"Milagro has also seen hotspots that appear to come from implausibly distant sources. As an explanation, Felix Aharonian of the Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies in Ireland and colleagues have suggested that there could be a "tube" of magnetic field lines extending between the source and our solar system, funnelling the cosmic rays towards us. However, Aharonian admits the theory is highly speculative."

 

"Others have proposed that a local phenomenon called magnetic reconnection – in which solar magnetic field lines cross and rearrange, converting magnetic energy to kinetic energy – could be accelerating local cosmic rays to energies in the TeV range and beaming them towards Earth, creating the observed hotspots."

 

"It implies that we have a Tevatron in the solar system," says Aharonian, referring to the particle accelerator at Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois. "That's also crazy, but it is at least less crazy than other explanations."

 

Or this could simply be a clue to something else at work.

Image created by Ian Tresman , who has no personal connection to this post or its content, on July 13th, 2005, based on an images by Hannes Alfvén in his book Cosmic Plasma (1981), p.55.

 

In 1986 Nobel prize recipient and developer of the Magnetohydrodynamic generation theory (MHD) Hannes Alfven predicted sources of cosmic rays situated along the Sun’s axes in an IEEE publication and NASA Conference. In the Alfvén’s Heliospheric Circuit; the Sun acts as a unipolar inductor (A) producing a current which travels outward along both the axes (B2) and inward in the equatorial plane along the magnetic field lines (B1). The current must close at large distances (B3), either as a homogeneous current layer, or more probable as a pinched current. This inductor has to achieve a lot of power to go out that far and come back.

 

 

In 2001 researchers published this paper in regards to computer models based on Hannes Alfven work.

 

http://csem.engin.umich.edu/CSEM/Publications/Israelevich2001.pdf

MHD simulation of the three-dimensional structure of the heliospheric current sheet
P. L. Israelevich 1, T. I. Gombosi 2, A. I. Ershkovich 1, K. C. Hansen 2, C. P. T. Groth 2, D. L. DeZeeuw 2, and K. G. Powell 3
1 Department of Geophysics and Planetary Sciences, Raymond and Beverly Sackler Faculty of Exact Sciences, Tel Aviv University, Ramat Aviv, 69978
Tel Aviv, Israel
2 Space Physics Research Laboratory, Department of Atmospheric, Oceanic and Space Sciences, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109, USA
3 Department of Aerospace Engineering, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109, USA

It says this paper is for the purpose of showing “that the three dimensional structure of the heliospheric current system obtained from a self-consistent, first-principles based numerical model of the solar wind outflow with realistic intrinsic solar magnetic field is consistent with Alfven's conceptual model."

 

It has a great description of how the before mentioned Alfven’s unipolar inductor relates to the Earth and the interplanetary magnetic field and Parker spiral.

 

"The warping of the magnetic field in the Parker spiral allows the Earth to cross the thin neutral current sheet that separates the positive and negative sides of the dipole field. The Earth can pass through the current sheet at least twice during each solar rotation (sometimes more than twice, if the current sheet is wavy enough). These crossings are observed at the Earth when the polarity of the Suns magnetic field changes.

 

Predicted by Alfven (1981), the spiral form of the magnetic field lines means that there is a significant radial component of the electric current along with the azimuthal component. Solid lines show the magnetic field lines slightly above the magnetic equator whereas dashed lines correspond to those slightly below the equatorial plane.

 

The only way to satisfy the electric current continuity is to close the radial electric current by field-aligned currents at the polar region of the sun. This current closure leads to the three-dimensional heliospheric current system schematically depicted by Alfven. Thus, the heliospheric current system produced by the Sun acts like a unipolar generator."

 

This electrical potential of the Sun may be why we have magnetic reconnection between the Earth and Sun occurring every eight minutes.

 

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_ftes/

"Oct. 30, 2008: During the time it takes you to read this article, something will happen high overhead that until recently many scientists didn't believe in. A magnetic portal will open, linking Earth to the sun 93 million miles away. Tons of high-energy particles may flow through the opening before it closes again, around the time you reach the end of the page. "It's called a flux transfer event or 'FTE,” Researchers have long known that the Earth and sun must be connected. Earth's magnetosphere (the magnetic bubble that surrounds our planet) is filled with particles from the sun that arrive via the solar wind and penetrate the planet's magnetic defenses. They enter by following magnetic field lines that can be traced from terra firma all the way back to the sun's atmosphere. On the dayside of Earth (the side closest to the sun), Earth's magnetic field presses against the sun's magnetic field."

"Approximately every eight minutes, the two fields briefly merge or "reconnect," forming a portal through which particles can flow. The portal takes the form of a magnetic cylinder about as wide as Earth. The European Space Agency's fleet of four Cluster spacecraft and NASA's five THEMIS probes have flown through and surrounded these cylinders, measuring their dimensions and sensing the particles that shoot through. "They're real.” The cylindrical portals tend to form above Earth's equator and then rollover Earth's winter pole. In December, FTEs roll over the North Pole; in July they roll over the South Pole. This is happening twice as often as previously thought."

 

 

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/themis/auroras/northern_lights_multi.html

In 2007 NASA's five THEMIS spacecraft discovered a flux rope pumping a 650,000 Amp current into the Arctic. Though they are not all of the same energy, it is unlikely that the probes chanced upon the FTE with the highest of all energy levels, so there are likely still higher energy levels to be observed in this phenomena. The 650,000 amps is put into perspective when you consider the FTE's only last about a minute and repeat every 8 minutes, 24 hours a day. That's 7.5 FTE's per hour, 180 per day. That's 117 million amps in a 24 hour period. 42.7 billion amps per year.

 

This behavior is strikingly similar to static discharges of the more domestic varieties.

[Bignose]

There is some evidence of an electric component to our Sun.

yes, that's quite nice, but it doesn't support

 

The planets orbit the sun, planets are made of elements which are mostly metals,

The sun can be classed as the magnet passing through the coil of planets,

sunshaker here needs to show that the sun is a magnet and the planets are the coils -- implying that it is an electromagnetic force keeping planets in orbits and not gravity.

[arc]

implying that it is an electromagnetic force keeping planets in orbits and not gravity.

 

I didn't get that from his post.

 

I haven't thought it all through yet,

While watching cosmos Sunday, Michael Faraday inventor of the generator, Was producing electric by passing a magnet through a coil,

Which made me think about the passage of our sun through the galaxy

 

The sun the magnet the planets(metal cores) the coil, This would produce/create some kind of effect/field,

The field is what we call electricity, We do not create electricity we only borrow it from this "field".

 

I took from it he was suggesting a generator in effect, albeit involving the Earth and other planets as components to a greater "generator" assembly, involving the Sun as a key component.

 

I thought mention of possible systems of generation he might not have been aware of would help him understand his idea.

 

 

Electricity is produced by passing a magnet through a coil,

 

The planets orbit the sun, planets are made of elements which are mostly metals,

The sun can be classed as the magnet passing through the coil of planets,

 

Our universe/battery was created to produce electric currents, (battery) to fuel some super beings mobility scooter.

 

. I will await his detailed response in eager anticipation.

[sunshaker]

I do not believe I am saying the "primary attraction"between planets is electromagnetic in nature,

Neither am I yet implying that it is this electromagnetic force keeping the planets in orbits and not gravity.

 

I took from it he was suggesting a generator in effect, albeit involving the Earth and other planets as components to a greater "generator" assembly, involving the Sun as a key component.

I thought mention of possible systems of generation he might not have been aware of would help him understand his idea.

Thanks arc for the links, Which do seem to suggest a funneling effect of the cosmic rays, There is much for me to think on and digest, before I can make a "detailed response".

 

But it brings me to tesla's "Radiant energy", Which he believed was bound up with the "elusive ether", but could be made manifest by the creation of an abrupt disruption in the equilibrium,

He believed electricity could be made available anywhere anytime, by merely pushing a rod into the ground and turning on a electrical appliance.

 

http://educate-yourself.org/fe/radiantenergystory.shtml Tesla's radiant energy.

 

Could this "possible property" of the sun/planets be the "Free energy" Tesla was trying to tap into?

 

DC or AC, Would this field be AC or DC, Would the 11yr pole shift of the sun and longer shift of planets produce an AC current?

 

Are we surrounded by "free/clean energy" waiting to be tapped into. We may just have to find the "switch" and switch it on,

 

 

link to simulation of solar system passage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNBj69RvKDY&list=RDMNBj69RvKDY

Edited May 21, 2014 by sunshaker

[Acme]

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But it brings me to tesla's "Radiant energy", Which he believed was bound up with the "elusive ether", but could be made manifest by the creation of an abrupt disruption in the equilibrium,

He believed electricity could be made available anywhere anytime, by merely pushing a rod into the ground and turning on a electrical appliance.

http://educate-yourself.org/fe/radiantenergystory.shtml Tesla's radiant energy.

 

Could this "possible property" of the sun/planets be the "Free energy" Tesla was trying to tap into?

...

Tesla's towers and the rod-in-the-ground were not free energy devices. His idea was to use a conventional AC generator to power the tower which then was to act as an antenna and charge the entire atmosphere. Then -his idea went- all anyone would have to do is put the rod in the ground, connect it to one lead of an appliance and connect the other appliance lead to an antenna and the circuit would be complete.

 

It was in effect a wireless transmission scheme, but the power generation still required conventional means such as a dam or coal-fired turbine generator. Moreover, it did not and would not work. Electrical power can be transmitted without wires using microwaves but the method is focused and localized. Such a setup is the means behind schemes to put solar panels in high orbit and beam the power to Earth.

[studiot]

sunshaker, you might find this interesting reading

 

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/pp0/plasma2.html

[swansont]

I do not believe I am saying the "primary attraction"between planets is electromagnetic in nature,

 

Then perhaps "electromagnetic solar systems" was not the best choice of title.

[Acme]

sunshaker, you might find this interesting reading

 

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/pp0/plasma2.html

I'm no Sunshaker, but I found it fascinating. What I can't find at the link is anything about the author(s) or any supporting references. How did you find this? What is your opinion on it and/or the opinions of others? Please spill your guts Studiot before I get z-pinched at a double-layer and go all super nova.

[arc]

I'm no Sunshaker, but I found it fascinating. What I can't find at the link is anything about the author(s) or any supporting references. How did you find this? What is your opinion on it and/or the opinions of others? Please spill your guts Studiot before I get z-pinched at a double-layer and go all super nova.

 

WOW Acme! You Z-pinched my mind! . . . . Well Studiot, have you joined some secret plasma cult!

[Acme]

WOW Acme! You Z-pinched my mind! . . . . Well Studiot, have you joined some secret plasma cult!

Oh Studiot; I feel so used. Theory discharged.

 

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And then the wheels fell off…

 

Hmmm. Towards the end of my research I found a notation on Wikipedia about why “Electric Universe Theory” had been removed. Apparently there are only a few people who currently publish ideas on the “electric universe” and those people publish exclusively on the internet or vanity presses. They use very misleading citations gleaned from mainstream sources in an attempt to lend credibility to the “electric universe theory”. Most papers listed as peer reviewed are not about the “electric universe” but about plasma cosmology (a different idea). The “electric universe” has no single paper subject to peer review about its ideas.

 

Well, it seems this is not a theory that anyone should be hanging their hat on. However, I will say that my little exploration did lead me to learn an awful lot about neutrinos, and our Sun. I hope that next time you read an outlandish theory you might take this journey too. You never know what you might learn. ...

The Electric Universe Theory Debunked

[sunshaker]

Nice find studiot, http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/pp0/plasma2.html , I will nick this for my home page

 

From the Gods of Etherea, Shaft of light(etherean currents)from high heavens, piercing the earths vortex.

 

To Birkeland currents, Stars are born within twisting Birkeland currents that flow around a circuit through the galaxy.

 

It covers a large range of my interests, And fits in with a lot of my ideas on who what and where we are.

 

There seems to be varying sizes of "circuits" within our universe, Makes me wonder if we shrank to the size of an electron and viewed the inside of a computer, what would that universe look like.

 

I am stilling looking for that "switch" it is somewhere.

 

[swansont]

From the Gods of Etherea, Shaft of light(etherean currents)from high heavens, piercing the earths vortex.

Not particularly helpful in a science discussion.

 

 

While it's illuminating to find that you are not advocating that solar system interactions are electric, I'd prefer not to play 20 questions. What, specifically, are you here to discuss?

[sunshaker]

Sorry to open an old thread up, But wanted to ask a question and thought this thread was the best place to ask it.

 

We all get weird ideas now and again, There are ideas that we are in a hologram also some cosmic computer etc, Which got me thinking again about the planet cores has the coil and the sun as the magnet,

 

And whether on some level "solar systems" could be the power innards of a cosmic computer. And we are in the quantum level of a larger universe. Where we are smaller than quarks or maybe the higgs boson.

 

So I know we use different gauges of wire for certain generators, And was wondering if we saw each planets cores has different gauges of wire, The largest gauge at center(mercury) then a second gauge wire(venus) up to eight gauges (8 planets).

 

Each planets yearly orbit around the Sun equaling the numbers of windings,

Mercury . . . 88 earth days

Venus . . . 225 days

Earth . . . 365 days

Mars . . . 685 days

Jupiter . . . 12 earth years

Saturn . . . 29 years

Uranus . . . 84 years

Neptune . . . 165 years

 

 

My question is "Would this type/amount of windings of coils work in a generator/cable or any other electrical/magnetic system around magnet/power source" ?