ADVANCE Posted May 20, 2014 Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Creating organs in labs for everyone from cells or stem cells growing or maybe printing in the shape instead is helpful, but can this even be used to keep us, the brain going and keep adding neurons to live forever? I imagine only if we can add brain tissue and it auto connects then this would be useful to live forever, as the brain would die itself after around 100. Edited May 21, 2014 by ADVANCE
Ophiolite Posted May 20, 2014 Posted May 20, 2014 While the notion of living forever undoubtedly has its attractions, can you explain your obsession with the idea?
ADVANCE Posted May 21, 2014 Author Posted May 21, 2014 While the notion of living forever undoubtedly has its attractions, can you explain your obsession with the idea? Are you asking why obsessed with the idea of living forever, or this question of cells or stem cells growing or maybe printing in the shape instead to add on brain cells or tissue?
Ophiolite Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 I thought my question was clear: why are you obsessed with living for ever? So obsessed that you propose ludicrous methods to achieve immortality. If you wish to approach a solution to your obsession you would be best to study some real science instead of indulging in flights of fantasy.
ADVANCE Posted May 21, 2014 Author Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Because we do not want to die, we want to live forever and then one day be in a heaven in space created and you get everything and its enjoyful, even more so being in awesome different settings/areas that's detailed or not and huge or not and beautiful places or building that is unlike anything we could create right now even, with the best video games that don't end and your perfect partner and even better food you don't want to die! That's second hand suicide, you want to live forever don't you? + music and friends ect ect, everything will be more better and too irresitable and very good forever...it's "wanted" really much so.... Well I have to worry ...right now.....anyhow back with the question though after your nxt reply I guess Edited May 21, 2014 by ADVANCE
physica Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) You obsession for living forever is misguided. I've worked in and emergency department for 4 years and I've seen plenty of people die. The thing is they die of cancer, heart attacks, stroke etc. Age related diseases are around because of time itself. Old people are more likely to get cancer because they have been splitting their cells for longer (young people also get cancer), they have had fat building up in their blood vessels for longer. Sure aging doesn't help but if I got given a potion that would stop me from aging chances are I'd still have the same life expectancy (most probably a little longer).If you want to give yourself a long life eat well, exercise and don't smoke. Also quality of life is important, don't waste your life obsessing over a depressive inevitable outcome. Edited May 21, 2014 by physica
ADVANCE Posted May 21, 2014 Author Posted May 21, 2014 No way we have to try...They say in 20-30 years maybe transfer to a robot and then computer brain... anyhow now really back to the question respectively...
Fuzzwood Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 Organs? No. But they have managed to replace an entire cranium made by 3d-printing. http://singularityhub.com/2014/03/30/patients-cranium-replaced-with-custom-3d-printed-implant/
ADVANCE Posted May 21, 2014 Author Posted May 21, 2014 So as the question asks can we at all use this to add on created brain, brain tissue?
pwagen Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 My guess is probably not, definitely not yet. We're a long, long way away from the technology required to produce working brain cells. Much less mass producing them.
ADVANCE Posted May 21, 2014 Author Posted May 21, 2014 Would simply adding the new grown brain cells ontop or with some little solution with it also, or slighlty injected make the new ones attach with the rest? Is there any way to take the new brain cells grown and add them?
Ophiolite Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 My guess is probably not, definitely not yet. We're a long, long way away from the technology required to produce working brain cells. Much less mass producing them. Indeed, even when the brain cells are produced by the normal biological processes they do not always produce working brain cells as evidenced by the posts of some members. (We all know who we mean!)
ADVANCE Posted May 22, 2014 Author Posted May 22, 2014 Indeed, even when the brain cells are produced by the normal biological processes they do not always produce working brain cells as evidenced by the posts of some members. (We all know who we mean!) YOUR retarded, and now I'll never trust your answer! -2
Ophiolite Posted May 22, 2014 Posted May 22, 2014 YOUR retarded, and now I'll never trust your answer! 1. My lighthearted remark was not directed at you. 2. If you reject accurate, carefully considered answers because of am imagined insult, you will be the loser. 3. The correct English is "You are retarded". (And if you genuinely believe I am it would be best to distrust my answers.)
CaptainPanic Posted May 22, 2014 Posted May 22, 2014 ! Moderator Note ADVANCE, Do not insult members on our forum. I strongly suggest you improve your behavior, both in this thread and in other threads. Also, science is all about evidence based explanations of phenomena, not about trusting people.
ADVANCE Posted May 22, 2014 Author Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) ! Moderator Note ADVANCE, Do not insult members on our forum. I strongly suggest you improve your behavior, both in this thread and in other threads. Also, science is all about evidence based explanations of phenomena, not about trusting people. Hey! He insulted first! Some of them lately are joking, insulting, lieing, and not serious about this and are not being helpful answering with answers. I can't trust them now. Edited May 22, 2014 by ADVANCE -2
Ophiolite Posted May 22, 2014 Posted May 22, 2014 Hey! He insulted first! Some of them lately are joking, insulting, lieing, and not serious about this and are not being helpful answering with answers. Advance, your questions are difficult to answer since they ignore some basic science and make strange presumptions. As I noted in my first post on this thread, immortality has its attractions, but you do seem obsessed with how to attain it and you presume, incorrectly I think, that everyone else feels the same way you do. Let's suppose we could replace brain cells in the way you propose. (I am sure there are better ways of doing this that will be developed.) Even if you could do this there is no assurance that it is going to be a pleasant life. There will be a whole other set of problems to be solved. You have received a number of helpful answers in this thread. Look at posts 6,8 and 10. What do you think is left unanswered?
swansont Posted May 22, 2014 Posted May 22, 2014 Hey! He insulted first! ! Moderator Note One might hope that anyone old enough to post physics questions on a discussion board would know that such a defense never works. What applies to all is this: Your own behavior is completely under your control. Mind that you follow the rules. Posts that need scrutiny from mods can be reported using the "Report" function at the bottom of each post.
pwagen Posted May 22, 2014 Posted May 22, 2014 Some of them lately are (...) lieingWould you care to tell which ones have been lying? Perhaps there's a misunderstanding we could try to clear up.
ADVANCE Posted May 22, 2014 Author Posted May 22, 2014 Would you care to tell which ones have been lying? Perhaps there's a misunderstanding we could try to clear up. I think you haven't been up to date with the replies lately... It's simple...this question, is asking will a grown neuron attach if brought to the brain... Also swansont and anybody else, on optical tweezers to post on, I really am still wondering if 1. If the photon leaves the atom after hitting in complete vacuum, does the atom's jiggle stop, and then does it stay right there or start moving a litttttle bit in the opposite direction? 2. I wanted to know if we can do this whole idea to not an atom but rather a mass of them as the target, like 10,000 maybe could work. ! Moderator Note ADVANCE, Do not insult members on our forum. I strongly suggest you improve your behavior, both in this thread and in other threads. Also, science is all about evidence based explanations of phenomena, not about trusting people. You gave me a 4th warning point for abusive behaviour???? It's obvious Ophiolite first attacked and was sugesting my brain cells arn't working from early in life. So he gets an attack back! That should be taken off my profile... -1
pwagen Posted May 22, 2014 Posted May 22, 2014 True, I might not have kept up, which is why I asked which posts contain lies, so that we can examine them and reach some form of consensus. It's simple...this question, is asking will a grown neuron attach if brought to the brain..The simple answer is no. Aside from us not knowing how to make brain cells, we wouldn't know if they would be able to "connect". If this is at all even remotely possible, it's so far into the future, the technology required would, to us, be indistinguishable from magic (paraphrasing Arthur C. Clarke).
Ophiolite Posted May 22, 2014 Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) It's simple...this question, is asking will a grown neuron attach if brought to the brain... I believe there is active research in this general area. I am not clear what the findings have been to date, but I believe there have been some promising positive results.*** Also swansont and anybody else, on optical tweezers to post on, I really am still wondering if 1. If the photon leaves the atom after hitting in complete vacuum, does the atom's jiggle stop, and then does it stay right there or start moving a litttttle bit in the opposite direction? 2. I wanted to know if we can do this whole idea to not an atom but rather a mass of them as the target, like 10,000 maybe could work. It is not a good idea to mix up material from different threads, but I think it is important to answer this: 1. The atom's jiggle does not stop. More than one member has told you this very clearly in the other thread. 2. No, the idea will not work with 10,000 atoms. You have also been told that. You gave me a 4th warning point for abusive behaviour???? It's obvious Ophiolite first attacked and was sugesting my brain cells arn't working from early in life. So he gets an attack back! That should be taken off my profile.. Advance, I have already explained that my remark was not directed at you. The only reason for adding the comment "We all know who we mean", was to ensure that pwagen didn't mistakenly think that I was getting at him. It was a general remark that does not merit the attention you are giving it. I regret that such an attempt at a little lighthearted humour has been misinterpreted by you, but you really need to forget about it and focus on the science. Edit: *** This is an example from 1999 where stem cells injected into a mouse brain formed astrocytes, the commonest form of brain cell. http://www.pnas.org/content/96/19/10711.short Edited May 22, 2014 by Ophiolite
pwagen Posted May 22, 2014 Posted May 22, 2014 Ophiolite, your link doesn't work for me (will try it on a computer later, on the phone right now). But if it is what you say, I might stand corrected on not thinking it could be done. Will look it up. And thanks for making sure I didn't think you were referring to me. I didn't even notice the connection though, so you might as well have been referring to me, as it all went right over my head. Yeah, not the sharpest bulb in the stables, this one.
ADVANCE Posted May 22, 2014 Author Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) Oh ok Ophiolite.....But (why) can't do it to 10,000 atom mass or million or what about as big as 50 cells...why though? Like would need a exact reason why can't move it around with photons with pretty ok precision to push them together to build. And what...how does the atom jiggle after photon is gone? It can't go in diferent direction really fast and back and forth on its own...it should be stablely still in space....and should be able to get momentum in one direction from a photon hitting...?????? Edited May 22, 2014 by ADVANCE
Ophiolite Posted May 23, 2014 Posted May 23, 2014 Ophiolite, your link doesn't work for me (will try it on a computer later, on the phone right now). But if it is what you say, I might stand corrected on not thinking it could be done. Will look it up. I just checked the link and it is working fine on a laptop. I think they may have tried something like this already on humans. I have a vague recollection of reading something, but it is outside my primary area of interest. (Though as age advances and the memory goes, I become more interested in it.)
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