Iwonderaboutthings Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) Resonance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance Issue with Resonance and Electron Excited States. From what I gather systems resonate at their natural frequency but when an " external force" out of balance and or in phase with the natural oscillation is applied " in this case a magnetic field" , the effects can either have negative implications and or positive implications , depending on the " purpose" for the applied force in general, of the experiment, the design and etc.. Having in mind an applied magnetic field, I would like to know if Resonance creates issues with electron excited states? I assume it but rather ask.. And if so, then does the electron charge remain the same? Meaning that, is this the reason for QM, in where the electron receives discrete amounts of energy.. On another note here: Why apply a magnetic field, when positive electrons and negative electron attract??? Or is this "static electricity"???? Wait! Does this applied magnetic force turn the negative electron to a positive electron? Sorry its hard to visualize the generalization of the term : Resonance Edited May 30, 2014 by Iwonderaboutthings
swansont Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 The charge will not change. Charge is quantized and a conserved value.Electrons and protons respond to a magnetic field because they have spin angular momentum, so they behave like little magnets. A magnetic field will cause the energy states to shift. In atoms, this is called Zeeman splitting. This doesn't cause the excitation itself. (The same effect happens in nuclei, which is exploited in NMR) That electron states have discrete values is the reason there are atomic resonances: energy differences are also discrete. You only get excitations when the incoming photon has an energy equal to the energy difference of the two states. The probability of absorption drops sharply as the energy differs from that value. 1
Iwonderaboutthings Posted June 1, 2014 Author Posted June 1, 2014 The charge will not change. Charge is quantized and a conserved value. Electrons and protons respond to a magnetic field because they have spin angular momentum, so they behave like little magnets. A magnetic field will cause the energy states to shift. In atoms, this is called Zeeman splitting. This doesn't cause the excitation itself. (The same effect happens in nuclei, which is exploited in NMR) That electron states have discrete values is the reason there are atomic resonances: energy differences are also discrete. You only get excitations when the incoming photon has an energy equal to the energy difference of the two states. The probability of absorption drops sharply as the energy differs from that value. You say: The probability of absorption drops sharply as the energy differs from that value. You say "differs" Is that in any relation to " distance"? Exponential decay? Magnitude? I am talking intrigal calculus here, or maybe even the algebraic generalization " i think" , or better yet the inverse square law? What I am pondering on is " infinity" within the electro magnetic forces applied. If I am correctly describing this, " i hope" how do they control this: the "magnetic force's" value that causes the excited states of the electron? I think I may not be asking this correctly... I am confusing " resonance x " with " resonance y" if this makes any sense at all.. The reason why is because of the light quanta photon energy you mention, and from what I gather... I would assume somewhere that resonance would create a problem with these excited states, or is this an issue more leaning on electrical engineering?
swansont Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 You say: The probability of absorption drops sharply as the energy differs from that value. You say "differs" Is that in any relation to " distance"? Exponential decay? No Magnitude? Yes. The difference in magnitude of the energy of the photon and the resonance value. The probability of an interaction depends on that difference.
Enthalpy Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 In the Zeeman effect, the external magnetic field works on both the intrinsic and the orbital magnetic momentum when available. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeman_effect#Example:_Lyman_alpha_transition_in_hydrogen
Iwonderaboutthings Posted June 3, 2014 Author Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) No Yes. The difference in magnitude of the energy of the photon and the resonance value. The probability of an interaction depends on that difference. Hymm I see, then this is a distance derivative way of thinking much like special relativity.. So the only way for excitation of an electron is through discrete amounts of quantized energy. Then the electrons become responsive to chemical bonding and other useful methods for creating " new " elements? If I understood correctly, where does this " photon quantized energy come from"? I am familiar with photon energy and the maths, but unsure if the quantized energy is made of the same elements of charge??? This may be a strange way of thinking about it Edited June 3, 2014 by Iwonderaboutthings
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