Karma and the topology of the Universe

[petrushka.googol]

Let us assume that Karma has a basis in science. (assumption). - (I)

 

What then would be an idealized topology of the Universe to back this up ?

 

- Planar -> This would extend in a straight line, every event would be the driver of the next and each event would act as the agent to expand the dimension of space - time contributing to Universal expansion. Karma could act but there would be no pattern in the events, only linear progression

 

- Open loop -> This would not support the karmic model. At some point events would cease and karma would thereby "end". Not self-propagating and event driven,

 

- Closed loop -> Here events would drive the next ad - infinitum and they would be self-propagating. Event A (cause) would cause Event B (effect) which would again cause Event C. (Event B would now be the cause). This brings forth an interesting corollary, that eventually after some very large finite time, displacement would be zero and the system would arrive at some initial state (t=0) and events could, in theory, repeat themselves iteratively.

 

Is there then, some scientific rational for Karma given the postulate expressed in (I).

 

Please feel free to share your views. (This is just my random musing and is free for debate).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Greg H.]

Your proposal makes just as much sense if you replace all references to karma with the phrase "monkeys riding unicorns". Scientifically, the idea is bunk because you're founding it on an unscientific principle. I could just as easily present the idea that the topology of the universe is open ended because of free-will - and with just as much validity, which is to say none.

[hoola]

you have to give a description of what you mean by karma, to be used as a basis of interactions with any physical system...by karma do you mean that conscious awareness affects the physical universe, as a sort of "5th force" ? The closest thing I have to a concept of karma is that consciousness can affect the other 4 forces, and so acts as a sort of phantom 5th force, and potentially stores "intention" within the informational state of the immediate environment of a particular individual....and is (normally) restrained to action within the subjective state of the individual's conscious mind...and acts to warp individual perceptions of extant reality. But, if everything is information, then the informational state of perceptions could at some point actually have physical consequence other than a sustained form of self-hypnosis affecting other impressionable and complicit minds. (Religion). This is thankfully highly unlikley to happen...it is bad enough that we have distorted perceptions of reality, much worse to inflict them upon an innocent universe should an individual ever gain that ability...

Edited July 22, 2014 by hoola

[petrushka.googol]

Your proposal makes just as much sense if you replace all references to karma with the phrase "monkeys riding unicorns". Scientifically, the idea is bunk because you're founding it on an unscientific principle. I could just as easily present the idea that the topology of the universe is open ended because of free-will - and with just as much validity, which is to say none.

 

In modern parlance Karma could be thought of as a precursor or derivative of Murphy's Law, which states that whatever can go wrong, will go wrong. In karma for something to be righted it's antipodal event should have first transpired. Just a kind of natural entropic balance. (we can treat this as the conservation of the space-time-energy trinity).

 

you have to give a description of what you mean by karma, to be used as a basis of interactions with any physical system...by karma do you mean that conscious awareness affects the physical universe, as a sort of "5th force" ? The closest thing I have to a concept of karma is that consciousness can affect the other 4 forces, and so acts as a sort of phantom 5th force, and potentially stores "intention" within the informational state of the immediate environment of a particular individual....and is (normally) restrained to action within the subjective state of the individual's conscious mind...and acts to warp individual perceptions of extant reality. But, if everything is information, then the informational state of perceptions could at some point actually have physical consequence other than a sustained form of self-hypnosis affecting other impressionable and complicit minds. (Religion). This is thankfully highly unlikley to happen...it is bad enough that we have distorted perceptions of reality, much worse to inflict them upon an innocent universe should an individual ever gain that ability...

 

I view karma as a kind of space-time signature. Karma is neither good nor bad but exists as an "entangled state", which is subjective according to when it is viewed and who is viewing it.

Edited July 23, 2014 by petrushka.googol