Online poker flawed by process!

[Bignose]

Ok, so 1) I know there used to be program that would record hands for you so that you could analyze your own game and try to adjust your strategy.

 

But 2) all we really have then is your gut feeling that you think you've been unfairly treated.

 

I'm sorry, but the process you've laid out (randomly generating decks ahead of time rather than in real time) seems completely fair to me, and I'm also sorry you've gotten some cold cards. But unless you have proof that someone can look ahead and time what deck their table will be given, there is nothing here that demonstrates any unfairness.

Edited July 28, 2014 by Bignose

[Delta1212]

You seem to think that having the random assortment of cards determined ahead of time somehow changes the probabilities in comparison with having the random assortment determined at the exact moment that it is required.

 

In other words, you could have gotten an Ace if you'd drawn a card a half second earlier, or someone else might not have gotten three Aces in a row if they hasn't drawn at the exact moments that they did.

 

The thing is, this is completely irrelevant. The cards dealt in poker are supposed to be random and this achieves random distribution exactly as well, if not actually better, than physical shuffling of cards. Unless there is some way to intentionally exploit the process in order to change the odds, the simple existence of the system running as it does will have no impact on the game.

 

Yes, some people will get unlucky by an accident of time while others get lucky by the same accident, but the exact same thing happens while playing in reality with some people getting lucky from an accident of shuffling while others lose out.

 

Statistically, they look exactly the same regardless. The important factor is that cards are randomly dealt, not how that randomness is achieved. And by all appearances, the system you've described would result in a random dealing of cards.

[barfbag]

I likely have played more online poker than many here.

 

I've spent so much time playing online poker that I was invited to become a Moderator for French and English versions of their website, which I have done because I'm playing there several nights a week anyways.

 

So I work as a Moderator on a website that has 50 million members.

 

I must say I find game play fair enough in the years I have been playing. It is easy enough to win a lot of the time.

 

I must admit the OP sounds more like a losing rant than actual math. Everybody faces the same odds

 

This reminds me of playing 21 in a Casino. Whoever plays last before the dealer is called the Anchor, and supposedly they are supposed to ruin their own hand to allow the dealer to go bust. There is a lot of SUPERSTITION around what the anchor should play.

 

This does not make sense to me as the decks are usually 8 decks together and mixed thoroughly so if three 10 cards come in a row it really is random what will come next, but I would love to know for sure.

 

There are probably thousands of pages about it on the Internet already, but it only occurred to me to think on it here.

 

If there are 5 - 10 cards (cards worth 10 points) in a row then it seems to make sense that the next card would be a numbered card less than 10, so I guess the Anchor does have a role.

 

Never sit at last seat before dealer or everyone will yell at you if you play wrong. lol

 

Here is some poker tips.

- When there are 9 players never bluff. Someone has a good hand.

 

- Watch your position. Late positions can be played with lesser hands. Position means who calls last on a turn (dealer does which is represented by a moving button). If you have button in front of you or a few spots to the left lesser hands work better.

 

- Play tight and wait for good cards unless the blinds are getting high..

 

- ALWAYS PROTECT YOUR HAND. If you have two aces (texas) at start and you play against 4 others odds are you will lose. You want to be one on one or one on two maximum so raise enough preflop to make most fold. If you make your hand then bet high enough to make others fold.

 

- If you play for free enter big tourneys for practice , all the bad players who go all in with every ace they get will soon be gone and you can then learn to play with legit players.

 

- Try to avoid going all in near the start. wait until you have a stack double most peoples (if you get chance).

 

- Dont play if there is not much money at the table.. Imagine you have 7000 chips and the other 8 at the table have only 1500 each. You cannot double up on any of them and they are often desperate enough to challenge you with their whole pot. I think often the best way to get chips is to hoard the ones you have instead of trying to win more frequently.

 

- If two of any suit come up on flop and two or more other stay in the pot and a third card from same suit comes someone likely has a flush.

 

-Going past a flop you want at least 13-14 outs (cards that will help your hand.)

 

- Pretend you have two consecutive and suited cards like 9 and 10 of diamonds. Do NOT raise too much preflop because you can profit by allowing more people into the pot. The more people in this hand the better for you. You will not always make your hand but with 9,10, of diamonds you are hoping for a really big hand like flush (all same suit), or straight (5 cards consecutive). If you do make your hand then hopefully one of the others matched up his kings or paired something nice so they will give you all their money. If you don't make your hand then it did not cost much. THIS TIP IS GOLDEN, AND NOT MANY KNOW THIS.

 

- if flop comes and an ace is there and you dont have an ace.. always assume other players have an ace because it is the most common card played.

 

- If you do play aces I recommend A-10 or above. Ace two might land a lucky hand, but low kickers are horrible if an ace comes up.

 

Don't be a sore loser. You can come in 5th place out of 10 000 players and you get mad at yourself for playing that hand badly and feel like a loser, but you forget you just beat 9995 people.

 

Don't bet what you cannot afford. You can set deposit limits on most websites that take 1 week to change. So if you are happy with $25 a week. Then set that as your limit. Never bet what you cannot afford to lose.

Edited July 29, 2014 by barfbag

[CaptainPanic]

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Moderator Note

 

Just a quick reminder from me, in the role of moderator: We are discussing the chance of winning being determined by the method/timing of shuffling the cards. Read the OP and other posts for more info.

 

barfbag's post goes partially off topic, and although this is not serious enough to get a warning, I want to kindly request that those who want to reply to the part about poker strategies / poker tips do so in a separate thread.

[Bignose]

just randomly came across this today: http://youtu.be/8V7aA0RHK-Q thought it fit the thread.

 

And maybe the biggest lesson is, again, luck happens and you can't read too much into any single anecdote.