swansont Posted March 3, 2013 Posted March 3, 2013 On 3/3/2013 at 8:00 PM, Consistency said: The so called scientific evidence is just as bad as reading the bible. DNA = Blueprint. So.. when you can create DNA from non-biological molecules is when you have actual evidence on evolution and how it actually functions. You have nothing just like religions have nothing. ! Moderator Note This is a science thread. If you want to discuss non-mainstream topics, take it to speculations. (see rules 5 and 10) Responding to this modnote here would be also be a rule 5 violation.
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ark200 Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 the chromosome may match but that won't make human chimp and gorilla equal. how to explain the difference?
Ophiolite Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 On 8/4/2014 at 10:39 AM, ark200 said: the chromosome may match but that won't make human chimp and gorilla equal. how to explain the difference? Who said this would make humans, chimps and gorillas equal? No one. What does equal even mean? If you mean identical, that would be wrong, since they are not identical either in appearance, behaviour, or genome. They are, however, very similar - in appearance, behaviour and genome. The difference is explained by Darwin's concept of Natural Selection and the development of that concept in a century and a half of sound observation.
chadn737 Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 On 8/4/2014 at 10:39 AM, ark200 said: the chromosome may match but that won't make human chimp and gorilla equal. how to explain the difference? Genetic differences. Just because we can match sequence from two different species does not mean they are identical.
swansont Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 ! Moderator Note Discussion related to purportedly disproving Darwin has been split http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/85066-disproving-darwin/
H.sapiens Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 On 4/16/2005 at 12:17 AM, Aardvark said: Do you believe that humans evolved from apes? On 4/16/2005 at 12:17 AM, Aardvark said: Do you believe that humans evolved from apes? No, humans are apes ... the apes were not left behind.
H.sapiens Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 On 1/3/2013 at 11:09 AM, Bill Angel said: Here is a paper from a Creation Ministries website that is of interest because it appears to be a scientific critique of research in evolutionary biology.: Human chimp dna similarity re-evaluated The authors' conclusion is that "The humanchimp common ancestor paradigm is clearly based more on myth and propaganda than fact." Not so closely related after all. Hardly a scientific paper, more a religious tract cloaked in scientific trappings. Here's a good debunking: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/03/11/a-tiny-bit-of-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/ 1
reasonmclucus Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 Are you aware that the ancient Tibetan religion claims that humans are descended from monkeys?
Ophiolite Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 On 12/30/2015 at 10:49 PM, reasonmclucus said: Are you aware that the ancient Tibetan religion claims that humans are descended from monkeys? Interesting, but in what way relevant? I strongly suspect there are many claims with "the Ancient Tibetan religion" for which there is no evidence, or contrary evidence.
overtone Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 Quote Hardly a scientific paper, more a religious tract cloaked in scientific trappings. And they used the rally monkey image from the Angels baseball team - very low ethical standards, there.
Itoero Posted July 31, 2018 Posted July 31, 2018 This is not real evidence but it's very interesting, and related. -High-quality genome sequences for some of the great apes have been assembled using state-of-the-art sequencing tools. The assemblies provide an unbiased comparison between humans and their closest evolutionary relatives. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05679-9
Spidy Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 Evolution is a miracle happened on earth and humans r the jewel to protect Earth. Every animal has brain to think & survives but humans can enact & bring the change. If we evolve from Apes or Gorillas then the evolution cycle shud be on till now. And many species will transform into better & improved version but hardly we have seen any till yet thru our brain cells. Life is in form of charge particle in almost everything even in water / Land or sky and same affect the transformation too.
Moontanman Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 On 8/24/2018 at 12:09 PM, Spidy said: Evolution is a miracle happened on earth and humans r the jewel to protect Earth. Every animal has brain to think & survives but humans can enact & bring the change. If we evolve from Apes or Gorillas then the evolution cycle shud be on till now. And many species will transform into better & improved version but hardly we have seen any till yet thru our brain cells. Life is in form of charge particle in almost everything even in water / Land or sky and same affect the transformation too. Expand No, evolution has no goals, no ladder of development. Evolution is ongoing and as long as organisms reproduce with variation it will continue... We didn't evolve from apes we still are apes and all life on earth started out as bacteria 4 billion years ago...
Spidy Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 On 8/24/2018 at 1:55 PM, Moontanman said: No, evolution has no goals, no ladder of development. Evolution is ongoing and as long as organisms reproduce with variation it will continue... We didn't evolve from apes we still are apes and all life on earth started out as bacteria 4 billion years ago... Expand You mean to say bacteria of all species or is it transformational changes keeep going on and mammals came our and the lucky one started to talk & think this is earth. And if something happened 4 billion years ago why cant it happened again. Same water / Same Land still no new species coming out naturally. Evolution is ongoing & diseases on certains species stop it reproduction & life comes to an end. But still somehow bacteria keep growing but there is not transformation what its lacking to get transfrom into new Species....
Phi for All Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 11:28 AM, Spidy said: And if something happened 4 billion years ago why cant it happened again. Same water / Same Land still no new species coming out naturally. Expand How is the water and land the same? And why don't you take all the sophisticated new species competing for existence into account?
dimreepr Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 On 8/24/2018 at 12:09 PM, Spidy said: Evolution is a miracle happened on earth and humans r the jewel to protect Earth. Every animal has brain to think & survives but humans can enact & bring the change. If we evolve from Apes or Gorillas then the evolution cycle shud be on till now. And many species will transform into better & improved version but hardly we have seen any till yet thru our brain cells. Life is in form of charge particle in almost everything even in water / Land or sky and same affect the transformation too. Expand 2 That makes no sense:
Moontanman Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 11:28 AM, Spidy said: You mean to say bacteria of all species or is it transformational changes keeep going on and mammals came our and the lucky one started to talk & think this is earth. Expand I mean to say that life, all life has a common ancestor, that ancestor was a primitive form of bacteria. Modern bacteria are not privitive and are quite complex. Mammals didn't evolve for almost 3.5 billion years after the first bacteria but yes our very distant ancestors were indeed simple one celled organisms. 3 hours ago, Spidy said: And if something happened 4 billion years ago why cant it happened again. Same water / Same Land still no new species coming out naturally. Expand Not the same land the same water, conditions on earth 4 billion years ago was much different than today. We can tell this from the geology of rocks left from that time. While things like organic molecules can be made today they are immediately consumed by extant life. The Earth didn't even have free oxygen until around 2 billion years ago. 3 hours ago, Spidy said: Evolution is ongoing & diseases on certains species stop it reproduction & life comes to an end. But still somehow bacteria keep growing but there is not transformation what its lacking to get transfrom into new Species.... Expand News species are evolving all around us, it has been observed both in the wild and in the lab. Bacteria are still evolving into new and different bacteria but more complex organisms have a choke hold on ecological niches they can live supressing bacteria from continuing in that direction. Google is your friend... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution https://www.livescience.com/474-controversy-evolution-works.html
Justatruthseeker Posted April 28, 2019 Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) On 4/16/2005 at 12:27 AM, Aardvark said: Do only humans have souls, or can other apes also have them? Expand Neither. ”the man has become like one of us, KNOWING good and bad. people get confused on what that “image” was... On 8/25/2018 at 3:10 PM, Moontanman said: I mean to say that life, all life has a common ancestor, that ancestor was a primitive form of bacteria. Modern bacteria are not privitive and are quite complex. Mammals didn't evolve for almost 3.5 billion years after the first bacteria but yes our very distant ancestors were indeed simple one celled organisms. Not the same land the same water, conditions on earth 4 billion years ago was much different than today. We can tell this from the geology of rocks left from that time. While things like organic molecules can be made today they are immediately consumed by extant life. The Earth didn't even have free oxygen until around 2 billion years ago. News species are evolving all around us, it has been observed both in the wild and in the lab. Bacteria are still evolving into new and different bacteria but more complex organisms have a choke hold on ecological niches they can live supressing bacteria from continuing in that direction. Google is your friend... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution https://www.livescience.com/474-controversy-evolution-works.html Expand Those bacteria that can now live solely on citrus have lost their ability to survive in other environments. They paid a heavy price by scavenging information from other areas to survive. Now it’s the only place they can survive... and the two billion year old bacteria we found was no less primitive than the bacteria today... Edited April 28, 2019 by Justatruthseeker
Strange Posted April 28, 2019 Posted April 28, 2019 On 4/28/2019 at 7:54 PM, Justatruthseeker said: Neither. ”the man has become like one of us, KNOWING good and bad. Expand Is that a quotation? If so, you should provide the source. Quote people get confused on what that “image” was... Expand What image are you talking about?
Intrigued Posted April 28, 2019 Posted April 28, 2019 On 4/28/2019 at 7:54 PM, Justatruthseeker said: and the two billion year old bacteria we found was no less primitive than the bacteria today... Expand And how do you know that?
Moontanman Posted May 3, 2019 Posted May 3, 2019 On 4/28/2019 at 7:54 PM, Justatruthseeker said: Neither. Quote ”the man has become like one of us, KNOWING good and bad. Expand Citation please Quote people get confused on what that “image” was. Expand ..And you know that how? Quote Those bacteria that can now live solely on citrus have lost their ability to survive in other environments. They paid a heavy price by scavenging information from other areas to survive. Now it’s the only place they can survive... Expand Citation please. Quote and the two billion year old bacteria we found was no less primitive than the bacteria today... Expand Citation please. Expand Seriously dude, are we supposed just take your word?
StringJunky Posted May 3, 2019 Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) On 4/28/2019 at 8:03 PM, Strange said: Is that a quotation? If so, you should provide the source. Expand The Bible. Adam and Eve and them eating from Tree of Knowledge... and all that. Edited May 3, 2019 by StringJunky
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