Are there any mistakes in the Bible?

[Ophiolite]

sorry, but you should take in consideration some emotional statements about one's belief, it is a religious discussion!

True, but this is a science forum.

[ajb]

But why God would be "good God" for Jews and "evil God" for Egyptians.. ?

Jews would say: "because we're chosen nation". But that's what for people hates them...

When Arab/Muslim would answer that this question, it would be miracle on itself, remembering that for typical Muslim from Arabian Gulf area Jews are enemy no.1..

Even president of Iran was talking about annihilation of Israel country in his speeches..

Maybe off topic, but as I see it there are three separate things here that get very much mixed up;

 

1) Judaism

2) Ethnic Jewish (counting the several divisions)

3) Israeli government policy

[Sensei]

This equation applies in every religion , God likes believers and hates unbelievers, the egyptians were unbelievers.

Jews/Christians God doesn't "work" that way.

He is the only one, for either believers and not believers and love them all regardless whether they believe in him, or not. After all everybody are their children.

Somebody can be believer, and making evil deeds,

and somebody else can be atheist and being saint from point of view of committed sins and behavior with other people..

 

the choosing process is not because God likes them more than others, but because they Just was chosen. as Abraham was chosen as a prophet his sons were chosen as his people , not because they were good but because God should choose people whether they are the Africans ,Arabs, and because prophets were from them God chose them. they were chosen but God broke his promise with them.

Where he did so?

 

the idea about hating the Jewish in my opinion is because they hate Muslims and is according to Qur'an,

Try to understand them. They were banished from their motherland for 1000 years..

[yahya515]

Where he did so?

Qur'an " We recite to you from the news of Moses and Pharaoh in truth for a people who believe...........And We wanted to confer favor upon those who were oppressed in the land and make them leaders and make them inheritors And establish them in the land and show Pharaoh and [his minister] Haman and their soldiers through them that which they had feared"

Jews/Christians God doesn't "work" that way.He is the only one, for either believers and not believers and love them all regardless whether they believe in him, or not. After all everybody are their children.Somebody can be believer, and making evil deeds,and somebody else can be atheist and being saint from point of view of committed sins and behavior with other people.

only one question:

God will punish atheists and unbelievers in hell forever whether in Judaism , Christianity , or Islam , won't he?

[Strange]

only one question:

God will punish atheists and unbelievers in hell forever whether in Judaism , Christianity , or Islam , won't he?

 

Not necessarily. It varies. Some Jewish and Christian people think that, others don't. Some don't even belief in hell (after all, it doesn't appear in the Old Testament and not much in the New). I would expect there to be a similar amount of variation of interpretation of the Qur'an as well.

[yahya515]

Try to understand them. They were banished from their motherland for 1000 years..

I understand , and it would be fair if we have two countries one for those who were banished for years , and those who think they can't leave their country because they lived in it for years (Palestinians ) .

[yahya515]

Are there any mistakes in the Bible?

 

The son competes with his father!!

 

Gospel of Matthew chapter 8 verse 24 "And, behold, there arose a great tempest in

the sea, insomuch that the ship was covered with the waves: but he was asleep. 25

And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. 26

And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and

rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm." (KJV)

 

we all (believers) know that God makes rain, wind , etc but it happened that his son did not agree with some of his work on earth!! and to show to his disciples that he is more merciful than his father and their God!! he rebuked the wind and save them from perishing or being killed by God!!

 

Qur'an chapter 23 verse 91 "Allah has not taken any child for Himself, and nor is there any other god along with Him If it were so, each god

would have wished superiority over the other. Glorified is above all that which they attribute to Him."

[Robittybob1]

Are there any mistakes in the Bible?

 

The son competes with his father!!

 

Gospel of Matthew chapter 8 verse 24 "And, behold, there arose a great tempest in

the sea, insomuch that the ship was covered with the waves: but he was asleep. 25

And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. 26

And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and

rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm." (KJV)

 

we all (believers) know that God makes rain, wind , etc but it happened that his son did not agree with some of his work on earth!! and to show to his disciples that he is more merciful than his father and their God!! he rebuked the wind and save them from perishing or being killed by God!!

 

Qur'an chapter 23 verse 91 "Allah has not taken any child for Himself, and nor is there any other god along with Him If it were so, each god

would have wished superiority over the other. Glorified is above all that which they attribute to Him."

Haven't you ever wished to control the weather? Make the rain stop. Stop the wind.

[yahya515]

Haven't you ever wished to control the weather? Make the rain stop. Stop the wind.

 

Yes I have, but if I managed to do that it would be by God permission , the same for Jesus he raises the dead by God permission , that what Qur'an teaches, if Jesus rebukes the wind by his own will and God blows wind by his will then we'll have opposite actions with different wills! that what the(Quranic) verse above states, the universe will collapse ! imagine that a girl dies , she suffered a lot of pain, Jesus was asked to raise her from death, so God wants her to die and suffer pain and Jesus wants to give her life!! if Jesus and God are one and they both killed the girl and they both raise her from death, then that will be like a boss fires you today and hires you tomorrow and he does the same thing with some other employees ! his company will collapse !

[Robittybob1]

Yes I have, but if I managed to do that it would be by God permission , the same for Jesus he raises the dead by God permission , that what Qur'an teaches, if Jesus rebukes the wind by his own will and God blows wind by his will then we'll have opposite actions with different wills! that what the(Quranic) verse above states, the universe will collapse ! imagine that a girl dies , she suffered a lot of pain, Jesus was asked to raise her from death, so God wants her to die and suffer pain and Jesus wants to give her life!! if Jesus and God are one and they both killed the girl and they both raise her from death, then that will be like a boss fires you today and hires you tomorrow and he does the same thing with some other employees ! his company will collapse !

So we can blame Global Warming on God rather than man!

[yahya515]

So we can blame Global Warming on God rather than man!

by God permission does not mean that it was done by God and man does not have any kind of will on it but it is like humans cause global warming and God says ok let it happen! we can't say the same thing for Jesus because Jesus according to Christianity is part if God will Jesus does what he wants whether God agree or not , Perhaps God agrees every time because they are one the previous post of mine shows how two opposite actions come from the same doer.

[Robittybob1]

by God permission does not mean that it was done by God and man does not have any kind of will on it but it is like humans cause global warming and God says ok let it happen! we can't say the same thing for Jesus because Jesus according to Christianity is part if God will Jesus does what he wants whether God agree or not , Perhaps God agrees every time because they are one the previous post of mine shows how two opposite actions come from the same doer.

If It is God's will that there be Global warming should we even try and prevent it? It seems you would agree that God permits either making it worse or making it better. So Jesus, the man, may want to change the weather (climate on a larger scale) whenever he needed to.

Edited December 4, 2014 by Robittybob1

[dimreepr]

So we can blame Global Warming on God rather than man!

 

 

It must be god; my need to relax in an artificially cold room drinking a hot beverage has nothing to do with AGW.

[John Cuthber]

Just a thought, is there anything in the Bible that can be independently shown to be correct?

That is, can you show clearly that any part of it is not a mistake?

[yahya515]

If It is God's will that there be Global warming should we even try and prevent it?

if you know God's will and it is that the global warming does not have a solution , then you just sit at home burn a lot of coal , gas, and petrol and wait until the earth is a huge fire! if you know God's will and it is that the global warming has a solution then do your best to find the solution, the idea is we do not know God's will, if we know God's will we'll be part of God's decisions, it appears in very near future, you know how you'll move your hand, you move it as you want! in Qur'an Mohammed says: if I know the future( what is going to happen) nothing bad will happen to me.

Just a thought, is there anything in the Bible that can be independently shown to be correct?

That is, can you show clearly that any part of it is not a mistake?

a lot of wisdom like the whole verses which state not to look at a married woman thinking of her. if we think of adultery as between married people, the same in Qur'an for married woman do not even come close to adultery, for unmarried woman do not commit adultery. the ten commandments are great.( nobody is empty of sins) nobody should punish someone for his sins only for his crimes, the story of prophets excluding the story of Lot commiting adultery with his daughters, the story of creating the earth and heavens excluding that God had rest at the seventh day. and the tree of knowing good and bad.

in fact Qur'an commands Muslims to believe in the Bible excluding some of its verses and facts that do not agree with Qur'an or its general message. Qur'an " Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." what was given to Moses is Torah, what was given to Jesus is a Gospel(s)

however " O you who have believed, if you obey a party of those who were given the Scripture, they would turn you back, after your belief, [to being] unbelievers." who were given the Scriptures are Christians and Jewish, Allah says party of them and not all of them, how party of them will know the truth? by excluding parts of the Scripture .

[Robittybob1]

if you know God's will and it is that the global warming does not have a solution , then you just sit at home burn a lot of coal , gas, and petrol and wait until the earth is a huge fire! if you know God's will and it is that the global warming has a solution then do your best to find the solution, the idea is we do not know God's will, if we know God's will we'll be part of God's decisions, it appears in very near future, you know how you'll move your hand, you move it as you want! in Qur'an Mohammed says: if I know the future( what is going to happen) nothing bad will happen to me.

a lot of wisdom like the whole verses which state not to look at a married woman thinking of her. if we think of adultery as between married people, the same in Qur'an for married woman do not even come close to adultery, for unmarried woman do not commit adultery. the ten commandments are great.( nobody is empty of sins) nobody should punish someone for his sins only for his crimes, the story of prophets excluding the story of Lot commiting adultery with his daughters, the story of creating the earth and heavens excluding that God had rest at the seventh day. and the tree of knowing good and bad.

in fact Qur'an commands Muslims to believe in the Bible excluding some of its verses and facts that do not agree with Qur'an or its general message. Qur'an " Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." what was given to Moses is Torah, what was given to Jesus is a Gospel(s)

however " O you who have believed, if you obey a party of those who were given the Scripture, they would turn you back, after your belief, [to being] unbelievers." who were given the Scriptures are Christians and Jewish, Allah says party of them and not all of them, how party of them will know the truth? by excluding parts of the Scripture .

You guys are quite staunch in your views.

[Phi for All]

if you know God's will...

 

!

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