Infiltrating ISIS

[Airbrush]

Until the middle eastern people decide to rise up for their rights against the oppression of these terrorists, just like 1st world nations did 150 or 75 yrs ago, nothing will change. To appreciate how fragile and valuable democracy is, you have to earn it with blood.

 

Exactly, that I why I urge the good, virtuous Sunis in that area to infiltrate ISIS. It is happening now. When those spies are caught, it is a horrible lesson for others as they are tortured and beheaded. But those groups need to feel the insecurity of never being able to trust a fellow jihadi. That is how they implode.

[swansont]

The world of the US Civil War was 150 years different than the world we live in now. It is not comparable to the situation with ISIS. .

 

Your claim was that these are failed states because they are in civil war. Now it's obvious that you are saying that there is more to it than that. Evidently your original claim was incomplete.

 

So these are failed states because of civil war, and 150 years of progress … and what else?

 

China had a civil war 65 years ago. Failed state? Libya's was just three years ago. No hope for them at all?

[Airbrush]

Don't you think that any country undergoing a civil war is a failed state during the conflict? Then they got their act together and turned failure to success. Iraq and Syria are undergoing civil war and are very ineffective NOW. When they get united by a dictator, then they are not failed states any longer. Then they are thriving dictatorships or theocracies.

[swansont]

Don't you think that any country undergoing a civil war is a failed state during the conflict? Then they got their act together and turned failure to success. Iraq and Syria are undergoing civil war and are very ineffective NOW. When they get united by a dictator, then they are not failed states any longer. Then they are thriving dictatorships or theocracies.

 

This doesn't justify intervention, then.

[CharonY]

What defines a non-failed state? What level of stability and for how long? The whole of Europe was in a dismal state ~70 years ago. Is there a fundamental time limit to these things?

[Airbrush]

What defines a non-failed state? What level of stability and for how long? The whole of Europe was in a dismal state ~70 years ago. Is there a fundamental time limit to these things?

 

"...A failed state is a state perceived as having failed at some of the basic conditions and responsibilities of a sovereign government. Although there is no general consensus on the definition, Fund for Peace characterizes a failed state as having the following characteristics:

• Loss of control of its territory, or of the monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force therein
• Erosion of legitimate authority to make collective decisions
• Inability to provide public services
• Inability to interact with other states as a full member of the international community

Common characteristics of a failing state include a central government so weak or ineffective that it has little practical control over much of its territory; non-provision of public services; widespread corruption and criminality; refugees and involuntary movement of populations; and sharp economic decline.^[1]"

 

^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failed_state}

 

^{A dictatorship or theocracy is probably better than the status of failed state for the world in general, and for the people in that state.}

Edited September 10, 2014 by Airbrush