Should mass vanish if 0 Kelvin is actually enforced into a system?

[lia]

Should mass vanish if 0 Kelvin is actually enforced into a system?

[Fuzzwood]

Why would you say that?

[fiveworlds]

http://ltl.tkk.fi/wiki/LTL/World_record_in_low_temperatures

I doubt it the world record is 0.000 000 000 1 degrees above the absolute zero

it also says

(*) Atomic spins in ultracold magneto-optically trapped atom ensembles have been cooled to even lower temperatures in 2010.

 

So I would imagine no is the answer.

Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds

[John Cuthber]

Actually, at 0 Kelvin all atoms turn into petunias.

 

Well, OK that's just a guess- there's no reason to think it's true; but since it's impossible to get to 0 K nobody will ever know.

[fiveworlds]

Well, OK that's just a guess- there's no reason to think it's true; but since it's impossible to get to 0 K nobody will ever know.

 

It is debatable weather 0 K is in fact the lowest temperature possible we just assume it is.

http://www.nature.com/news/quantum-gas-goes-below-absolute-zero-1.12146

Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds

[Fuzzwood]

As temperature is defined by the kinetic energy of particles, 'stopping' those particles will make it 0K by definition. The stopping part is the snag here.

[lia]

 

Why would you say that?

 

 

 

http://ltl.tkk.fi/wiki/LTL/World_record_in_low_temperatures

I doubt it the world record is 0.000 000 000 1 degrees above the absolute zero

it also says

So I would imagine no is the answer.

 

 

Actually, at 0 Kelvin all atoms turn into petunias.

 

Well, OK that's just a guess- there's no reason to think it's true; but since it's impossible to get to 0 K nobody will ever know.

 

 

It is debatable weather 0 K is in fact the lowest temperature possible we just assume it is.

http://www.nature.com/news/quantum-gas-goes-below-absolute-zero-1.12146

 

 

As temperature is defined by the kinetic energy of particles, 'stopping' those particles will make it 0K by definition. The stopping part is the snag here.

 

 

Since thr wud be no energy, and mass is form of energy, i thot the atoms wud stop all movements to their core then atom can no longer be atom.

[fiveworlds]

Since thr wud be no energy, and mass is form of energy, i thot the atoms wud stop all movements to their core then atom can no longer be atom.

 

No Kelvin is a temperature scale much like Celsius. It is commonly thought that 0 Kelvin or absolute zero is the lowest temperature but they could have been wrong all the same it's pretty much taking the coldest measure of temperature and taking 1 away. They also don't know what will happen below 0 kelvin they have theories etc but there is no proof that the atoms stop all their movements below it.

Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds

[lia]

first time i herd below 0K , hv u herd other news about below 0 elsewhere? you think the claims are reasonable?

[fiveworlds]

first time i herd below 0K , hv u herd other news about below 0 elsewhere? you think the claims are reasonable?

 

 

Can you phrase that with proper grammar please?

[Fuzzwood]

Since thr wud be no energy, and mass is form of energy, i thot the atoms wud stop all movements to their core then atom can no longer be atom.

There is still the energy from mass. Like I said, temperature is kinetic energy only.

[q4agl]

 

Can you phrase that with proper grammar please

 

 

first time i herd below 0K , hv u herd other news about below 0 elsewhere? you think the claims are reasonable?

 

Well science is ongoing process, so old thoughts about science always are changed or improved upon over hundreds of years, so its very possible it aint the limit like fiveworlds telling.

 

and 5worlds, I don't see why lia needs to rephrase it, as even a 10 year old can read that. if u have mental disability for not being able to make sense of partial info, you are indeed unlucky. any proper human can tell its a human by a circle and 3 lines, without needing to draw all the correct proportions and colours and shadings. nw u must get it. dnt be such hypocrite!

[fiveworlds]

and 5worlds, I don't see why lia needs to rephrase it, as even a 10 year old can read that. if u have mental disability for not being able to make sense of partial info, you are indeed unlucky. any proper human can tell its a human by a circle and 3 lines, without needing to draw all the correct proportions and colours and shadings. nw u must get it. dnt be such hypocrite!

 

Okay let's read it slowly.

 

first time i herd below 0K - A herd of animals? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd . Why were you out in weather that cold?

hv u herd other news about below 0 elsewhere? - No I don't herd other news. news isn't an animal and no I wouldn't be out herding cattle when it's below 0 outside.

 

any proper human can tell its a human by a circle and 3 lines

 

I must be blind.

Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds

[lia]

Sorry, i meant its the first time i heard below zero Kelvin; have you heard other news about below zero Kelvin elsewhere? You think the claims are reasonable?

[fiveworlds]

Sorry, i meant its the first time i heard below zero Kelvin; have you heard other news about below zero Kelvin elsewhere? You think the claims are reasonable?

 

 

Temperature is a form of electromagnetic radiation so it could just be not there at all.

 

Do you like the bracelet?

Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds

[lia]

Do you like the bracelet?

[q4agl]

yes I love the bracelet, how did u guys know. bracelets are my hobby OMG

[fiveworlds]

It is a common gift to blind people. It has three lines using the braille raised circle to spell their name.

 

 

bracelets are my hobby OMG

 

 

That's nice. Do you make them with beads and string or what do you use?

Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds

[John Cuthber]

As temperature is defined by the kinetic energy of particles, 'stopping' those particles will make it 0K by definition. The stopping part is the snag here.

Nope

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

 

No Kelvin is a temperature scale much like Celsius. It is commonly thought that 0 Kelvin or absolute zero is the lowest temperature but they could have been wrong all the same it's pretty much taking the coldest measure of temperature and taking 1 away. They also don't know what will happen below 0 kelvin they have theories etc but there is no proof that the atoms stop all their movements below it.

Nope, it's an absolute scale . Celsius is not. That's why temperatures are given in degrees Celsius but not in degrees kelvin.

 

The bit about the braile bracelets is probably the best bit here

[q4agl]

Ouh I make them with brailles, they the best. Because it helps my dog to exercise by playing catch. Dog would bark and spot it by sound feedback by the raised dots

[fiveworlds]

Nope, it's an absolute scale . Celsius is not. That's why temperatures are given in degrees Celsius but not in degrees kelvin.

 

1 Celsius = 274.15 Kelvin

 

I said before that this was like taking the smallest temperature possible and adding 1.

Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds

[Fuzzwood]

Nope

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

I know, didn't want to overcomplicate things.

[John Cuthber]

1 Celsius = 274.15 Kelvin

 

I said before that this was like taking the smallest temperature possible and adding 1.

No

One degree Celsius = 274.15 Kelvin.

[swansont]

Temperature is a form of electromagnetic radiation so it could just be not there at all.

 

 

Nope.

[MigL]

Temperature is a measure of energy. QM doesn't allow for exactly zero energy.

 

The best theory we have for the emergent property of mass is Electroweak symmetry breaking via the Higgs mechanism at about 250 GeV. Above this energy/temperature symmetry would again hold and mass should vanish.

This is still brand new science and I'm at best, an amateur in the field. AJB might be able to shed some light on the subject.