lia Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Should mass vanish if 0 Kelvin is actually enforced into a system? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzwood Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Why would you say that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiveworlds Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) http://ltl.tkk.fi/wiki/LTL/World_record_in_low_temperatures I doubt it the world record is 0.000 000 000 1 degrees above the absolute zero it also says (*) Atomic spins in ultracold magneto-optically trapped atom ensembles have been cooled to even lower temperatures in 2010. So I would imagine no is the answer. Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Actually, at 0 Kelvin all atoms turn into petunias. Well, OK that's just a guess- there's no reason to think it's true; but since it's impossible to get to 0 K nobody will ever know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiveworlds Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) Well, OK that's just a guess- there's no reason to think it's true; but since it's impossible to get to 0 K nobody will ever know. It is debatable weather 0 K is in fact the lowest temperature possible we just assume it is. http://www.nature.com/news/quantum-gas-goes-below-absolute-zero-1.12146 Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzwood Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 As temperature is defined by the kinetic energy of particles, 'stopping' those particles will make it 0K by definition. The stopping part is the snag here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lia Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Why would you say that? http://ltl.tkk.fi/wiki/LTL/World_record_in_low_temperatures I doubt it the world record is 0.000 000 000 1 degrees above the absolute zero it also says So I would imagine no is the answer. Actually, at 0 Kelvin all atoms turn into petunias. Well, OK that's just a guess- there's no reason to think it's true; but since it's impossible to get to 0 K nobody will ever know. It is debatable weather 0 K is in fact the lowest temperature possible we just assume it is. http://www.nature.com/news/quantum-gas-goes-below-absolute-zero-1.12146 As temperature is defined by the kinetic energy of particles, 'stopping' those particles will make it 0K by definition. The stopping part is the snag here. Since thr wud be no energy, and mass is form of energy, i thot the atoms wud stop all movements to their core then atom can no longer be atom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiveworlds Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) Since thr wud be no energy, and mass is form of energy, i thot the atoms wud stop all movements to their core then atom can no longer be atom. No Kelvin is a temperature scale much like Celsius. It is commonly thought that 0 Kelvin or absolute zero is the lowest temperature but they could have been wrong all the same it's pretty much taking the coldest measure of temperature and taking 1 away. They also don't know what will happen below 0 kelvin they have theories etc but there is no proof that the atoms stop all their movements below it. Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lia Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 first time i herd below 0K , hv u herd other news about below 0 elsewhere? you think the claims are reasonable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiveworlds Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 first time i herd below 0K , hv u herd other news about below 0 elsewhere? you think the claims are reasonable? Can you phrase that with proper grammar please? -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzwood Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Since thr wud be no energy, and mass is form of energy, i thot the atoms wud stop all movements to their core then atom can no longer be atom. There is still the energy from mass. Like I said, temperature is kinetic energy only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q4agl Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Can you phrase that with proper grammar please first time i herd below 0K , hv u herd other news about below 0 elsewhere? you think the claims are reasonable? Well science is ongoing process, so old thoughts about science always are changed or improved upon over hundreds of years, so its very possible it aint the limit like fiveworlds telling. and 5worlds, I don't see why lia needs to rephrase it, as even a 10 year old can read that. if u have mental disability for not being able to make sense of partial info, you are indeed unlucky. any proper human can tell its a human by a circle and 3 lines, without needing to draw all the correct proportions and colours and shadings. nw u must get it. dnt be such hypocrite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiveworlds Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) and 5worlds, I don't see why lia needs to rephrase it, as even a 10 year old can read that. if u have mental disability for not being able to make sense of partial info, you are indeed unlucky. any proper human can tell its a human by a circle and 3 lines, without needing to draw all the correct proportions and colours and shadings. nw u must get it. dnt be such hypocrite! Okay let's read it slowly. first time i herd below 0K - A herd of animals? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd . Why were you out in weather that cold? hv u herd other news about below 0 elsewhere? - No I don't herd other news. news isn't an animal and no I wouldn't be out herding cattle when it's below 0 outside. any proper human can tell its a human by a circle and 3 lines I must be blind. Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lia Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Sorry, i meant its the first time i heard below zero Kelvin; have you heard other news about below zero Kelvin elsewhere? You think the claims are reasonable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiveworlds Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) Sorry, i meant its the first time i heard below zero Kelvin; have you heard other news about below zero Kelvin elsewhere? You think the claims are reasonable? Temperature is a form of electromagnetic radiation so it could just be not there at all. Do you like the bracelet? Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lia Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Do you like the bracelet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q4agl Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 yes I love the bracelet, how did u guys know. bracelets are my hobby OMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiveworlds Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) It is a common gift to blind people. It has three lines using the braille raised circle to spell their name. bracelets are my hobby OMG That's nice. Do you make them with beads and string or what do you use? Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 As temperature is defined by the kinetic energy of particles, 'stopping' those particles will make it 0K by definition. The stopping part is the snag here. Nope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy No Kelvin is a temperature scale much like Celsius. It is commonly thought that 0 Kelvin or absolute zero is the lowest temperature but they could have been wrong all the same it's pretty much taking the coldest measure of temperature and taking 1 away. They also don't know what will happen below 0 kelvin they have theories etc but there is no proof that the atoms stop all their movements below it. Nope, it's an absolute scale . Celsius is not. That's why temperatures are given in degrees Celsius but not in degrees kelvin. The bit about the braile bracelets is probably the best bit here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q4agl Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Ouh I make them with brailles, they the best. Because it helps my dog to exercise by playing catch. Dog would bark and spot it by sound feedback by the raised dots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiveworlds Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) Nope, it's an absolute scale . Celsius is not. That's why temperatures are given in degrees Celsius but not in degrees kelvin. 1 Celsius = 274.15 Kelvin I said before that this was like taking the smallest temperature possible and adding 1. Edited September 17, 2014 by fiveworlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzwood Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Nope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy I know, didn't want to overcomplicate things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 1 Celsius = 274.15 Kelvin I said before that this was like taking the smallest temperature possible and adding 1. No One degree Celsius = 274.15 Kelvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Temperature is a form of electromagnetic radiation so it could just be not there at all. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Temperature is a measure of energy. QM doesn't allow for exactly zero energy. The best theory we have for the emergent property of mass is Electroweak symmetry breaking via the Higgs mechanism at about 250 GeV. Above this energy/temperature symmetry would again hold and mass should vanish. This is still brand new science and I'm at best, an amateur in the field. AJB might be able to shed some light on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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