Chi is an energy, and so is Emotion.

[Tzurain]

Heyyo Everyone!

The topic reviewed today will be about chi.

Chi, known as a life force in a living being, can be theoretically used for healing activities, or even the manipulation of the ancient elements (Earth, Fire, Wood, Metal and Water).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi

 

Many other texts from the past also have similar things with near description to Chi, such as Chakra and the Soul.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul

I've been thinking lately, but could the embodiment of emotions be related to Chi? And is Chi used to support our vital organs?

 

For example, have you been into a state of depression? If you have, then you would notice and feel a painful clenching of the heart, as if it is hard for the heart to beat. Assuming Chi is Emotions, when you are depressed (Lack of emotions), the Chi level is low,

thus, it results into having the heart being painful to beat. (Theoretically assuming that Chi is used to allow the heart to beat).

I've also been delving into the manipulation of elements using Chi , searching from the internet and asking those in real life. Here are some videos, which are related to chi.

 

(Someone making a fire using Chi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bTzAN-G204

(Psychokinesis, history channel, but I think he's using Chi to move the objects)

 

But of course, not all things can be trusted from the Internet, so I tried to do some of this "Chi manipulation" myself.

 

Surprisingly, after a bit of practice, I found myself to be able to move some objects slightly with certain gestures with my hand (Small objects though, like pencils, bottle caps and coins)

I was also able to control candle light, by making it grow brighter when trying to 'channel' happy or angry thoughts into it, and dimmer when thinking more sadder and gloomy thoughts.

However, there is a possible chance that I am gullible enough to believe that I had done the stated stuff above, where in actual reality, there is already a proven scientific force behind this.

All in all, I hope you have gained some thoughts and fed your mind well from reading this topic.

Tell me what you think.

Is Chi real or is it false? And why?
What exactly is Chi, to you?

Thank you. ^^

(Note: Sorry for all the unreliable sources, such as Wikipedia and Youtube)
(P.S: However, I believe that those interested in the topic can find more sources for this if they try to look for one)

Edited September 29, 2014 by Tzurain

[Syn5]

I believe everything from smallest to biggest, from simplest to most complex, tangible to intangible, is directly connected. Chi, emotion, etc no different. It's all just an infinite amount of ever changing bits of visible and hidden information being infinitely processed by Time/Space.

[swansont]

No, it's crap. Any effect you think you had will vanish if you do the experiments under controlled circumstances.

[Strange]

Surprisingly, after a bit of practice, I found myself to be able to move some objects slightly with certain gestures with my hand (Small objects though, like pencils, bottle caps and coins)

 

What did you do to eliminate the possibility of air movement, for example.

Are there any witnesses to these feats?

Did you do a controlled, blind study where the person observing the objects was not aware of what you were trying to do?

 

I was also able to control candle light, by making it grow brighter when trying to 'channel' happy or angry thoughts into it, and dimmer when thinking more sadder and gloomy thoughts.

 

Did you use an objective measurement of the light (a light meter, for example)?

Did you ensure you separated the measurement from knowledge of the emotions you were projecting (i.e. a double blind study)?

 

However, there is a possible chance that I am gullible enough to believe that I had done the stated stuff above

 

 

Yep. That is infinitely more likely.

 

As for your videos, I have just three words: Penn and Teller.

[Tzurain]

 

What did you do to eliminate the possibility of air movement, for example.

Are there any witnesses to these feats?

Did you do a controlled, blind study where the person observing the objects was not aware of what you were trying to do?

 

I have placed an inverted transparent basin , with a paper balancing on a needle within it. The purpose to of the basin was to prevent any external force like air from the outside.

 

The experiment which I made was similar to this video.

 

[Strange]

I have placed an inverted transparent basin , with a paper balancing on a needle within it. The purpose to of the basin was to prevent any external force like air from the outside.

 

So, next you have to eliminate thermal effect, vibration, static electricity, ...

 

There are a great many real effects that could case this before you can even consider invoking something that doesn't exist.

[Tzurain]

No, it's crap. Any effect you think you had will vanish if you do the experiments under controlled circumstances.

That's a bold move to say. As we are both intellectual people, I can agree that the experiments I had made were mostly indeed, not under controlled circumstances.

 

However, I am interested to here about "No, it's crap" part.

 

Can you please give out following points and reason (If you can, with evaluation) so you can fortify your statement, and hopefully, try to disassemble my suggestion on Chi?

 

:3

[Strange]

However, I am interested to here about "No, it's crap" part.

 

You are not the first, and sadly not the last, to consider such things and attempt to test it.

 

All experiments that have been done show no evidence for such magical forces. Although it is true that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence", the negative results of so many different attempt to discern any such msyterious force leads one to conclude that there is no such thing.

 

I don't know if the Randi prize is still going, but if you really believe this stuff, you could try and win $1M.

Edited September 29, 2014 by Strange

[Tzurain]

 

So, next you have to eliminate thermal effect, vibration, static electricity, ...

 

There are a great many real effects that could case this before you can even consider invoking something that doesn't exist.

 

Indeed, but as I have stated, this 'Chi' is a force that affects other forces. (Such as heat, sound and electricity)

 

Electronkinesis, for example, may have correlations to Chi.

Our bodies are capable of controlling electricity, by what we know as Biophotons.

 

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20131202163140AACoARn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biophoton

 

I have not gathered enough information about Chi, but in my opinion, it is a force that affects the movement of our cells and physical exterior.

 

[Fuzzwood]

I have placed an inverted transparent basin , with a paper balancing on a needle within it. The purpose to of the basin was to prevent any external force like air from the outside.

 

The experiment which I made was similar to this video.

 

Let's see. Strong halogen lamp and a prominent shade. Air will be cooler underneath the shade, warmer air rises up, tadaa airflow. No chi, just basic physics, although those basics are also a kind of magic for some people.

Edited September 29, 2014 by Fuzzwood

[Tzurain]

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I don't know if the Randi prize is still going, but if you really believe this stuff, you could try and win $1M.

 

I'm not sure if I believe it or if I don't. I am merely venturing things of the unknown (and the 'less researched about' , hue x3)

[Strange]

Electronkinesis, for example, may have correlations to Chi.

 

Only in that neither of them exist.

 

Our bodies are capable of controlling electricity, by what we know as Biophotons.

 

Please provide a reliable reference that shows that our badies are capable of "controlling electricity".

And that this is due to "biophotons" (which seems unlikely as the Wikipedia page talks about individual photons).

 

 

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20131202163140AACoARn

 

Really? You think that is a good reference?

 

 

I have not gathered enough information about Chi, but in my opinion, it is a force that affects the movement of our cells and physical exterior

 

Or it is a myth.

[Tzurain]

Let's see. Strong halogen lamp and a prominent shade. Air will be cooler underneath the shade, warmer air rises up, tadaa airflow. No chi, just basic physics, although those basics are also a kind of magic for some people.

B-b-but I tried the experiment in my house o~o

 

Yes, I have a light at the top, emitting heat from the light bulb, and a a shade at the bottom. But it's not like the video! It's like a normal house light, and a normal shade. (Inb4 define normal)

 

It's just like the setting, but I think the 'physics force' was not enough to make the paper spinning like what I did.

[Strange]

Let's see. Strong halogen lamp and a prominent shade. Air will be cooler underneath the shade, warmer air rises up, tadaa airflow. No chi, just basic physics, although those basics are also a kind of magic for some people.

 

I posted this in another thread recently. It could be a model for what is happening here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crookes_radiometer

but I think the 'physics force' was not enough to make the paper spinning like what I did.

 

You will have to better than that.

Edited September 29, 2014 by Strange

[Tzurain]

 

Please provide a reliable reference that shows that our badies are capable of "controlling electricity".

 

 

 

Our bodies can conduct electricity #True

Our bodies contain cell #True

Cells contain water #True

Cells can be manipulated to channel electricity in such a way that we can 'control them'.

 

Since the your asks to provide a reliable reference to show our bodies are capable of controlling electricity, then, basic science (As in, a Middle School/High School science, assuming it's like UK curriculum) shall be my reference.

 

I posted this in another thread recently. It could be a model for what is happening here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crookes_radiometer

 

You will have to better than that.

D'aww shucks. @"You will have better than that"

 

As for the device, thanks for linking it, I shall look into it. :3

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2014 by Tzurain

[Strange]

Our bodies can conduct electricity #True

Our bodies contain cell #True

Cells contain water #True

Cells can be manipulated to channel electricity in such a way that we can 'control them'.

 

OK. That is why I asked. I thought you might mean something as vague and unsurprising as "there are electrical processes in our bodies".

 

Although it still isn't clear what you mean by "Cells can be manipulated to channel electricity in such a way that we can 'control them'."

What do mean by "manipulating" cells?

What do you mean by "channelling electricity"?

In what way can we "control" our cells?

 

However, all this provides no support for your claims about Qi, or about "electrokinesis". It also has nothing to do with biophotons.

[swansont]

Indeed, but as I have stated, this 'Chi' is a force that affects other forces. (Such as heat, sound and electricity)

 

 

And yet these other forces work according to set laws, regardless of "Chi".

[Tzurain]

 

OK. That is why I asked. I thought you might mean something as vague and unsurprising as "there are electrical processes in our bodies".

 

Although it still isn't clear what you mean by "Cells can be manipulated to channel electricity in such a way that we can 'control them'."

What do mean by "manipulating" cells?

What do you mean by "channelling electricity"?

In what way can we "control" our cells?

 

However, all this provides no support for your claims about Qi, or about "electrokinesis". It also has nothing to do with biophotons.

 

Manipulating cells, as in to control a cells behavior or reaction.

Channeling electricity, as in to control where we want the electricity to go to.

We can control our cells by interacting with it.

 

Yes, the answer may be vague, but two paws can only write so much.

 

All things are connected. The facts I give may support my claims for later.

 

And yet these other forces work according to set laws, regardless of "Chi".

A bumblebee can fly, breaking the laws of flight.

 

Science laws have been broken and renewed over time, to enhance our understanding.

 

Also, Chi probably has a law too.

[Strange]

 

Manipulating cells, as in to control a cells behavior or reaction.

 

What is manipulating it?

 

I am not trying to be difficult, just to be clear about what you are talking about.

 

For example, are you talking about normal biological processes or "you" somehow controlling your own cells in some currently unknown way?

 

Channeling electricity, as in to control where we want the electricity to go to.

 

Again, who/what is controlling this? And what electricity are you referring to?

 

We can control our cells by interacting with it.

 

Interacting in what way? Newton stuck needles in his eyes to observe the effects. You can put your hand in a fire to "interact" with the cells.

 

I'm just not sure what you are trying to say. I don't know if you are being deliberately vague or you are just not making yourself clear.

 

A bumblebee can fly, breaking the laws of flight.

 

Obviously not true.

 

Science laws have been broken and renewed over time, to enhance our understanding.

 

Not the old, "science has been wrong before and therefore i must be right argument" <sigh>

 

Also, Chi probably has a law too.

 

Yes, the law of non-existence.

 

How come there is no scientific evidence for this force if it is so powerful?

[swansont]

A bumblebee can fly, breaking the laws of flight.

 

Nope, that's a canard.

 

What bumblebees do is fly, in violation of an assumption that their wings are smooth and rigid. The proper conclusion is that their wings are not smooth & rigid. The broader lesson is GIGO.

 

http://www.snopes.com/science/bumblebees.asp

 

Science laws have been broken and renewed over time, to enhance our understanding.

When accompanied by sufficient data, we have modified our understanding.

 

Also, Chi probably has a law too.

 

What are they, and where is the experimentation that backs it up?

[Tzurain]

Obviously not true.

 

I meant, bumblebees break the laws of flight, not that its flight breaks the law of flight.

 

 

What is manipulating it?

 

I am not trying to be difficult, just to be clear about what you are talking about.

 

For example, are you talking about normal biological processes or "you" somehow controlling your own cells in some currently unknown way?

 

 

I know you are not trying to be difficult, I am merely answering your questions the way it is as to emulate that writing an answer is not always easy so that we share a mutual understanding.

 

That being said, the questions must be asked precisely to the kind of answer you wish to hear.

 

We can use one of our normal biologically process, like sending a message from our brain to our muscle, but this time to the cells.

 

I'm just not sure what you are trying to say. I don't know if you are being deliberately vague or you are just not making yourself clear.

I am just answering your questions as it is, and as comfortable as I can. I too, am just not sure what kind of response is expected.

[Strange]

I meant, bumblebees break the laws of flight, not that its flight breaks the law of flight.

 

I don't know what you think the "laws of flight" are, but this is obviously wrong.

 

That being said, the questions must be asked precisely to the kind of answer you wish to hear.

 

There is no answer that I "wish" to hear. I am trying to understand the answers you are providing. When you started talking about being able to control electricity, it wasn't clear if you meant you can turn the lights on and off by the use of your mind. Given the subject of the thread, I rather assumed that might be what you meant. But you now just seem to mean that there are electric processes in the body. Which is not very relevant.

 

Maybe we should drop this line of discussion.

[Tzurain]

What bumblebees do is fly, in violation of an assumption that their wings are smooth and rigid. The proper conclusion is that their wings are not smooth & rigid. The broader lesson is GIGO.

 

http://www.snopes.com/science/bumblebees.asp

 

The article also implies that we overlook things. The reason bumblebees was initially thought to have broken the laws of flight was because they did a mathematical calculation on smooth wings.

 

"Insect flight and wing movements can be quite complicated. Wings aren't rigid. They bend and twist. Stroke angles change. New, improved models take that into account."

 

There is still a possibility that we overlooked something here too, even if it cannot be seen (for now).

 

I expect you don't want the 'if it's possible it can happen' kind of thing, but a possibility is all I can give with the data I have right now.

 

I am trying to understand the answers you are providing.

 

Maybe we should drop this line of discussion

As am I, trying to understand the questions you are asking.

 

And as for the electricity bit, I was going to the bit where the electrical process in our body can be harnessed to release raw electrical energy from a concentrated point, thus a potential to light a light bulb.

 

And very well, line of discussion dropped.

 

*Drops Line Of Discussion*

Edited September 29, 2014 by Tzurain

[Strange]

And as for the electricity bit, I was going to the bit where the electrical process in our body can be harnessed to release raw electrical energy from a concentrated point, thus a potential to light a light bulb.

 

Line of discussion undropped!

 

Please provide evidence that anyone can light a light bulb with the electrical energy from their body

[Tzurain]

Well, I have this.

It's from History Channel. But that is one person, and not anyone.

However , it also shows that a person can do it. Other people have the potential too.

Doubt it's satisfactory enough though. (I'll try to get some more evidence -w-)

(I GTG , Ill be having my next post in a relatively later time) Edited September 29, 2014 by Tzurain