Electric propulsion.

[Relative]

I speculate that in principle , and from forum information received, that the under diagram would work.

 

 

Try to speculate something simple

 

 

[Bignose]

Your diagram doesn't make a lot of sense. Two arrows, of different colors and sizes, both say electrons... and?

 

Ion thrusters have been used for a while now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster They don't use electrons as the propellant, usually Xenon, but they charge the propellant and then use electromagnets to accelerate them. Is that what you're aiming for here?

[Strange]

Or a linear motor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_motor

[Relative]

Your diagram doesn't make a lot of sense. Two arrows, of different colors and sizes, both say electrons... and?

 

Ion thrusters have been used for a while now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster They don't use electrons as the propellant, usually Xenon, but they charge the propellant and then use electromagnets to accelerate them. Is that what you're aiming for here?

The two arrows represent the direction of force of the electrons, the vehicle is emitting electrons from its rear, the force of the electrons repelling electrons should make f=ma according to what I have been told on here?

 

I want to push the electrons along, by using electrons v electron for the force?

 

It works with the same polarity of magnets, except we have to push a magnet, where has the electrons will travel un-aided.?

Or a linear motor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_motor

A linear motor, learn something new every day, maybe my idea is flawed in the fact that you already have simular

have i just invented an already invention, is this how an electric train works?

 

[Strange]

A linear motor, learn something new every day, maybe my idea is flawed in the fact that you already have simular

 

Actually, if the concpet already exists, that may mean you ideas is not flawed.

 

have i just invented an already invention, is this how an electric train works?

 

It is not quite the same. A linear motor or maglev train uses electromagnetic forces caused by the flow of electrons, rather than just the repulsion of electrons (i.e. static electricity).

 

The problem is that just using the electric repulsion of electrons is hard because you need massive amounts of charge to generate a significant force. And in an atmosphere, the charge will rapidly leak away.

 

This means that the practical uses of this sort of electrostatic force is on quite small scales: moving the ink around in Xerox machines and laser printers, collecting dust in electrostatic air cleaners, controlling the direction of molecules in chemical vapour deposition, etc.

[Relative]

 

Actually, if the concpet already exists, that may mean you ideas is not flawed.

 

 

It is not quite the same. A linear motor or maglev train uses electromagnetic forces caused by the flow of electrons, rather than just the repulsion of electrons (i.e. static electricity).

 

The problem is that just using the electric repulsion of electrons is hard because you need massive amounts of charge to generate a significant force. And in an atmosphere, the charge will rapidly leak away.

 

This means that the practical uses of this sort of electrostatic force is on quite small scales: moving the ink around in Xerox machines and laser printers, collecting dust in electrostatic air cleaners, controlling the direction of molecules in chemical vapour deposition, etc.

Thank you , and yes I can see what you are saying about the electrons been lost to the atmosphere, and a lot of energy needed to create enough force.

 

Mods can I switch this thread and mention lifters been on the same principle of the idea I said that already exists?

I read that no one knows why a lifter lifts, electric propulsion?

 

 

 

[Strange]

I assume "lifter" means this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionocraft

 

There doesn't seem to be much mystery about how it works.

[Relative]

I assume "lifter" means this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionocraft

 

There doesn't seem to be much mystery about how it works.

Yes a tin foil lifter, I watched a youtube documentary and they said they do not understand how it gets to thrust from the ground, the only thrust I can see is electron field v electron field of the ground, anti gravity by using the magnetic/electron flow of the earth. It is directional , so any frequency equal to that and it has no choice but to follow the flow, hence up.

 

 

I tried to explain in another thread that energy has, like the ground Fn, and by direction we can propel using the magnetic field by out weighting mass with electrical field generated.

 

I am unsure about ions, when there is electrons clearly at work?

And this was my gravity theory , that the orbit is created by electrostatic propulsion, the sun emits electrons and the earth emits electrons, hence repelling force equal to gravity.

[Strange]

Yes a tin foil lifter, I watched a youtube documentary and they said they do not understand how it gets to thrust from the ground ...

 

All I can say is, don't believe everything you see on yootoob. It doesn't "thrust from the ground" it effectively blows air.

 

 

, the only thrust I can see is electron field v electron field of the ground, anti gravity by using the magnetic/electron flow of the earth. It is directional , so any frequency equal to that and it has no choice but to follow the flow, hence up.

 

I have never seen this before but it looks quite simple. It ionizes the air with a very high voltage. This means you have free electrons and positively charged ions (atoms/molecules missing one or more electrons). The electric field makes the electrons move one way and the ions move the other way. I assume the thrust comes from the different mass flowing in each direction.

[Relative]

 

All I can say is, don't believe everything you see on yootoob. It doesn't "thrust from the ground" it effectively blows air.

 

 

I have never seen this before but it looks quite simple. It ionizes the air with a very high voltage. This means you have free electrons and positively charged ions (atoms/molecules missing one or more electrons). The electric field makes the electrons move one way and the ions move the other way. I assume the thrust comes from the different mass flowing in each direction.

I do not understand about ions, but i do understand other thread answers. Yourself answering yes the earth emits electrons, so if we add an electron field to tin foil?

 

 

and you admitted electrons repel electrons, then the tin foil is surely repelled by the Earth emitting electrons?

 

 

Does the sun emit electrons?

 

does the earth emit electrons?

 

 

Is electron repelling electrons a strong force or weak force?

 

 

Does the sun emit enough electrons strong enough to repel electrons from the earth?

 

 

 

I did try to explain this before, but used the words thermodynamics, which was incorrect.

Edited October 6, 2014 by Relative

[Sensei]

Is electron repelling electrons a strong force or weak force?

Neither one.

Strong force is used to describe force that holds nucleus together.

Weak force is used to explain radioactive decay of nucleus.

Edited October 6, 2014 by Sensei

[Relative]

Neither one.

Strong force is used to describe force that holds nucleus together.

Weak force is used to explain radioactive decay of nucleus.

arrr,so thats what that means, so what would it be called?

Fn?

FnE?

elasticity?

[swansont]

The strong and weak interactions aren't described in terms of forces. There's not much Newtonian physics at that level of physics discussion.

 

An electron repelling another electron is most simply described by the electrostatic force. If the situation is more complex it would be the Lorentz force, which combines the effects of electric fields and magnetic fields.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

[Relative]

The strong and weak interactions aren't described in terms of forces. There's not much Newtonian physics at that level of physics discussion.

 

An electron repelling another electron is most simply described by the electrostatic force. If the situation is more complex it would be the Lorentz force, which combines the effects of electric fields and magnetic fields.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

Thank you,

[Strange]

I do not understand about ions

 

An ion is just an atom with one or more electrons removed so it becomes positively charged.

 

Yourself answering yes the earth emits electrons

 

I don't think so.

 

so if we add an electron field to tin foil?

and you admitted electrons repel electrons, then the tin foil is surely repelled by the Earth emitting electrons?

 

There are two pieces of foil which are connected to each other (where they hinge at the top). If you give the foild an electric charge (either positive or negative, then the two pieces of foil will repel each other.

 

I don't know what this has to do with the Earth emitting electrons (even if it does). The electrons could come from anywjher, but they need to get on to the foil. E.g. from a balloon that has been rubbed on a jumper ... or whatever.

 

Does the sun emit electrons?

 

It emits many particles including electrons and ions. This is the solar wind.

 

does the earth emit electrons?

 

Not that I am aware of.

 

Is electron repelling electrons a strong force or weak force?

 

It depends how you define strong or weak. It is quite weak because electrons are tiny. But if you rub a balloon, you can stick it to the ceiling, so it is strong enough to hold the weight of a balloon.

 

Does the sun emit enough electrons strong enough to repel electrons from the earth?

 

There are very complex interactions between the solar wind and the Earth's magnetic field. This probably removes some atoms from the Earth's atmosphere but it isn't something I know anything about.

[cdestroyer]

is this topic concerning the electric wind as demonstrated by michael faraday or the lifting bodies by thomas townsend brown, or perhaps the free electricity by tesla?.....so..does the theory "for every action there is an equal and opposite action" hold true close to a point of gravity like a planet or only in free space???

[Relative]

is this topic concerning the electric wind as demonstrated by michael faraday or the lifting bodies by thomas townsend brown, or perhaps the free electricity by tesla?.....so..does the theory "for every action there is an equal and opposite action" hold true close to a point of gravity like a planet or only in free space???

The solar wind is technically an electric wind is it not? or do you mean extracted energy from the atmosphere and get some freebies?

 

An ion is just an atom with one or more electrons removed so it becomes positively charged.

 

 

I don't think so.

 

 

There are two pieces of foil which are connected to each other (where they hinge at the top). If you give the foild an electric charge (either positive or negative, then the two pieces of foil will repel each other.

 

I don't know what this has to do with the Earth emitting electrons (even if it does). The electrons could come from anywjher, but they need to get on to the foil. E.g. from a balloon that has been rubbed on a jumper ... or whatever.

 

 

It emits many particles including electrons and ions. This is the solar wind.

 

 

Not that I am aware of.

 

 

It depends how you define strong or weak. It is quite weak because electrons are tiny. But if you rub a balloon, you can stick it to the ceiling, so it is strong enough to hold the weight of a balloon.

 

 

There are very complex interactions between the solar wind and the Earth's magnetic field. This probably removes some atoms from the Earth's atmosphere but it isn't something I know anything about.

You say the Ion becomes positively charged, yes I understand now, what You are saying about the lifter and know how it works now,

 

The solar winds containing ions and electrons etc, so if the ions become positive charged, then the action of the single electrons is to be repelled by the now more positive ion?

Edited October 6, 2014 by Relative

[Strange]

The solar winds containing ions and electrons etc, so if the ions become positive charged, then the action of the single electrons is to be repelled by the now more positive ion?

 

The behaviour of plasma (a combination of electrons and ions) in the presence of a magnetic field is immensely complicated and I wouldn't want to guess at any answers related to it. (I recommend you avoid guessing about it as well.)

[Relative]

 

The behaviour of plasma (a combination of electrons and ions) in the presence of a magnetic field is immensely complicated and I wouldn't want to guess at any answers related to it. (I recommend you avoid guessing about it as well.)

I am not guessing at anything, I am speculating from your science, your laws, your dynamics, It does not sound that complex.

[Strange]

I am speculating from your science, your laws, your dynamics

 

No, you are guessing based on your misunderstandings of the basic bits and pieces of science that you think you understand.

 

It does not sound that complex.

 

Which is proof that you do not understand it.

[Relative]

 

No, you are guessing based on your misunderstandings of the basic bits and pieces of science that you think you understand.

 

 

Which is proof that you do not understand it.

Or just simple proof that you do not understand me by my often incorrect use of terminology.

 

 

You are presuming for some reason that I do not know what I am thinking, or what basic science I have read,

 

That is saying I have a low IQ when it is the contrary.

[Strange]

 

That is saying I have a low IQ when it is the contrary.

 

No. IQ has nothing to do with it. It is lack of knowledge and lack of mathematics.

 

The fact think plasma physics sounds simple, is just an indication that you know nothing about it.

[Relative]

 

No. IQ has nothing to do with it. It is lack of knowledge and lack of mathematics.

 

The fact think plasma physics sounds simple, is just an indication that you know nothing about it.

You are correct I do not understand Plasma, magnetic bottling, how the Tokamak uses a race track design so can never work, how the british have changed and are looking into a sphere design, accelerated gases contained to cause an action, adding electrons etc, I do not understand it depth, the maths etc, but I know without maintaining an isotropic bottling , so the plasma is isotropic, hence the sun, it will never work.

The Tokamak creates centrifugal force, the energy is centrifugally forced to the outer edge, then it is too much for the magnetic field, and buckles your magnets by snaking out.