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[Relative]

Can someone please assist me and tell me where I can find a science forum, that does not expect their members to know every single Phrase , word and meanings, be a literate genius and can discuss science, and not keep discussing current science that we already know?

 

I have found on several forums that they expect seemingly you to know everything, and you are not aloud to make mistakes or have any of your own thoughts,

 

I accuse all these forums of been the Johovah witnesses of science .

 

 

 

I intend on finding an open forum, not a stereotypical forum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ajb]

Can someone please assist me and tell me where I can find a science forum, that does not expect their members to know every single Phrase , word and meanings, be a literate genius and can discuss science,

I would say that generally this forum is quite relaxed in that sense. You can post questions and seek answers to many scientific questions. The answer you get should be in line with current general scientific thinking. From my point of view people tend not to ask many questions right on the forefront of science, maybe with the exception of the origin of the big bang and quantum gravity. Occasionally more technical questions come up, but sometimes these are too technical for people on this forum to answer well.

 

 

...and not keep discussing current science that we already know?

Taking into account what I have just written, few people really ask meaningful questions at the boundary of knowledge, other than big open questions which they know we cannot answer fully at this stage.

 

I have found on several forums that they expect seemingly you to know everything, and you are not aloud to make mistakes or have any of your own thoughts,

I would say that this is not the case on this forum. However, given your posting record it seem that you tend to have ideas that just don't sit well with basic physics. No one here expects everyone to necessarily have a good grasp of basic physics, but they must be prepared for the physics answer to their questions or speculations. That may be a short as 'read up on conservation of momentum' or something along those lines.

 

 

I intend on finding an open forum, not a stereotypical forum.

This forum seems very open an tolerant to me, maybe not always for the best.

 

A forum that would allow you to post any and all crazy ideas would be of little real value. You would not learn anything from such a free for all.

[Relative]

I would say that generally this forum is quite relaxed in that sense. You can post questions and seek answers to many scientific questions. The answer you get should be in line with current general scientific thinking. From my point of view people tend not to ask many questions right on the forefront of science, maybe with the exception of the origin of the big bang and quantum gravity. Occasionally more technical questions come up, but sometimes these are too technical for people on this forum to answer well.

 

 

 

Taking into account what I have just written, few people really ask meaningful questions at the boundary of knowledge, other than big open questions which they know we cannot answer fully at this stage.

 

 

I would say that this is not the case on this forum. However, given your posting record it seem that you tend to have ideas that just don't sit well with basic physics. No one here expects everyone to necessarily have a good grasp of basic physics, but they must be prepared for the physics answer to their questions or speculations. That may be a short as 'read up on conservation of momentum' or something along those lines.

 

 

 

This forum seems very open an tolerant to me, maybe not always for the best.

 

A forum that would allow you to post any and all crazy ideas would be of little real value. You would not learn anything from such a free for all.

Thanks for the normal sounding reply, often science forums answer questions and word it basically as if they were WIKi, understanding some of wiki is not easy, the wording , you have to be a genius to just decode what they mean at times, I do agree this forum is probably the best I have come across,

 

BUt I need to talk my ideas through, not be told I am wrong it is this way, I already know what science says, and do not chuck out random ideas, my ideas are all current science, but slightly edited , changed, it is not my fault I see an Often Paradox.

 

I have got one forum disagreeing saying that If i took away all of the emr, it would not be dark, hey really.

[ajb]

BUt I need to talk my ideas through, not be told I am wrong it is this way, I already know what science says, and do not chuck out random ideas, my ideas are all current science, but slightly edited , changed, it is not my fault I see an Often Paradox.

I don't think we should turn this into a discussion of your personal situation. Anyway, as you have found you are free to discuss more speculative or non-mainstream ideas in the speculations section. But beware there are some rules. Importantly, any speculations should be built upon accepted science and hopefully should have some evidence in their favour, or for sure they should not be in direct contradiction with observations. They should also be scientific in the sense that they are testable or falsifiable. The only real way this can be the case for physical theories is if they are constructed as mathematical models.

[pzkpfw]

Just for reference:http://www.thescienceforum.com/physics/46849-darkness.html

Edited October 12, 2014 by pzkpfw

[Ten oz]

Can someone please assist me and tell me where I can find a science forum, that does not expect their members to know every single Phrase , word and meanings, be a literate genius and can discuss science, and not keep discussing current science that we already know?

 

I have found on several forums that they expect seemingly you to know everything, and you are not aloud to make mistakes or have any of your own thoughts,

 

I accuse all these forums of been the Johovah witnesses of science .

 

 

 

I intend on finding an open forum, not a stereotypical forum.

 

I am far from a genius and have not been banned yet so I would say this forum is an open one. The General Philosophy, Speculations, and the Lounge allow for all ideas. Only time I have seen people struggle is when they fail to seperate opinion from fact. I personally enjoy the challange. The moderators do a good job keeping posters on topic and indentifying when support for an idea is lacking.

 

Is there something specific you have wanted to dicuss and have not been able to?

[swansont]

What you probably don't appreciate is the huge amount of leeway you have been afforded. People have patiently explained things to you, and you have ignored everything that disagrees with your fatally flawed idea. Plus, you have misconstrued material that you think suports your idea.

 

Any complaints about being held to scientific standards and the rules of the forum garners no sympathy from me.

[Bignose]

I accuse all these forums of been the Johovah witnesses of science .

Far too often, the posters here are acting a lot more like prophets than scientists.

 

First and foremost, in science, the evidence to support the statements are out there, publicly available to all.

 

Secondly, a community like this one exists in no small part so that when someone does have a question, members volunteer to help. I should put a lot of emphasis on volunteer, because no one here is getting paid for this.

 

Thirdly, the major problem is that despite the evidence being out there, and despite members here who volunteer to help, far, far too often people don't actually want to take any time to understand it. This is a major problem because it does take time to understand complex problems and situations and concepts. There are a few savants, but for the most part it takes almost all of us a good deal of time to learn something new.

 

So, I think the real question, Relative, is to turn this back on yourself. Why do you find it so difficult to accept that a word as you use it, may be incorrect? Why do you find it so hard to accept that maybe, when you've presented an idea and gotten feedback on it, that maybe the feedback telling you that it doesn't work that way should be looked into more?

 

As the other above have said, as a forum, we're actually pretty damn good about taking some time and talking things through. What we really bristle at, however, is someone telling us that their idea is right, but they can't even slightly discuss the current idea and show how their idea even compares to the current idea. That they are so willing to brush aside many tens and hundreds of thousands of hours of people who have put time into measuring things, coming up with ideas about them, coming up with mathematics models to make predictions, going back and re-measuring, going back and modifying those models, and repeating until we have the models we have today.

 

Look, we know the models we have today aren't perfect. That's why there are still many people pursuing science. Because there are improvements to be had out there.

 

But, you can't overturn the again many tens and hundreds of thousands of hours that has been put into making the models pretty darn good today. And in performing those many tens and hundreds of thousands of hours of work, there is a certain terminology that is developed, so that the people working on projects in the same area can communicate with one another efficiently. Just like there are accepted definitions of the words 'hour', 'model', 'terminology', 'efficiently', etc. that I just used in the preceding sentences.

 

So, yes, there is scientific terminology.

 

And, no, we don't expect someone to know it all. Frankly, there is so much today, I seriously doubt that any single human being can know even a healthy percentage of it all, much less all of it.

 

But, we do expect that when someone is using it wrong, and is pointed out to be using it wrong, they that take at least some time and try to understand why they are being told they are using it wrong.

 

We do not accept someone just telling us "I speak street, and use whatever words I want" and expecting us to conform to their definitions. We expect that if someone really cares enough about the subject, they would take some time and understand the terminology that has become normal use.

 

If someone really has something brand new, then they can create whatever words they want. But something completely and totally brand new is very rare.

 

So, again, I think it is completely fair to turn this question around and ask: if someone actually really cared about a subject, why wouldn't they spend some time and actually learn about a subject including the terminology that is used?

 

I don't think that there is a single other subject where an outsider can bluster his way in and not learn the terminology. If you didn't know the difference between a fastball, a slider, a curve, and a knuckleball, why would you think that you could give a major league baseball pitcher throwing advice? If you didn't know the different between a 4-3, a 3-4, a nickel, or a dime, why would you think that you could give professional american football defensive players advice? If you don't know the difference between a planer, a router, a chisel, and a jigsaw, why would you think you could give advice to a woodworker? If you didn't know the difference between a string, a float, an integer, a property and an object, why would you think you could give advice to a programmer? If you didn't know the different between price to earnings, debits, beta, 50-day-average, or shorts, why would you think you could give advice to a financial adviser? I could repeat this on and on and on; every single subject has its own words and terminology that need to be learned and understood before anyone can talk about it in anything beyond a superficial depth.

 

So, it comes down to if you don't know the difference between light, and gravity, and electricity, and magnetism, why would you think you could give advice to a physicist? In short, you really can't. Just like all the other examples above.

 

If you are really interested in a subject, then you need to actually put some time into it learn the terms used. One would think that if you were really interested, this actually would probably be rather fun and interesting to do. Because you're really interested in it. I cannot understand this reluctance to learning about a subject that you've expressed an interest in, but it is very prevalent because we see examples of it every day.

Edited October 12, 2014 by Bignose

[Phi for All]

I already know what science says,

 

... but you don't take the time to understand it. Short answer, since long ones don't work with you.

 

 

 

 

You object instead of question.

 

 

 

 

You assert instead of inquire.

 

 

 

You insist that if you can't understand it, it must be wrong.

 

 

 

Personal opinion: I think you've spent so much time railing against the system, that to admit you're wrong would mean a lot of wasted years. Perhaps you should Google "Sunk Cost Fallacy".

[swansont]

We don't expect you to know "every single phrase, word and meanings" but the problem is that you don't seem to know any of them. And — here's the kicker — you don't learn what any of them mean when they are explained to you. THAT is one of the main issues, and one of several reasons you are running into trouble.

 

You just admitted you didn't know much if anything about the Lorentz force ("it might has well be in Latin") and yet you had popped it into several of your posts as if it supported your idea. You've done that with other concepts as well. When I taught, we called this "shotgun". Blasting away, hoping that some part of what you say hits the target. On an exam, this was done by students hoping for partial credit, but since it demonstrates zero understanding it never got any.

 

You do not "already know what science says", and your ideas are not "current science". You can't possibly know your ideas are current science when you don't understand current science. I don't think you are looking for a science forum if all you want is people to validate your ideas, because you aren't going to get that from science.

 

As long as you proceed from the attitude that you are right, and are trying to cherry-pick science that you might shoehorn into your thesis, you will continue to encounter heavy headwinds. That's not science. You aren't going to get false validation here.

[elfmotat]

Honestly Relative, this is by far the most relaxed science board I've come across that isn't run by cranks. Most sites do not allow speculative posts at all (honestly I'm a bit surprised this one still does given the nonsense that goes on in the speculations section). Most sites require questions to be of the form that they can be answered concretely. This site gives you a soapbox for whatever strange thoughts you might conjure up, and the rules for topics in the mainstream science sections are incredibly relaxed. If you can find another site with knowledgeable people that puts up with even half of the BS that this site does, I'd be surprised.