cixe Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 ..."Physicists have obtained important new evidence showing that the structure of the carbon-12 nucleus – without which there would be no life here on Earth – resembles that of an equilateral triangle."... Carbon nucleus seen spinning in triangular state - physicsworld.com1 equalateral triangle + 1 equlateral trianlgle = 4 equlateral triangles ergo 2D area > 3D volume via synergetic process/operation.Biologicals/souls are creatures with a resultant, synergetic access to metaphysical-1 mind/intellect.r6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acme Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 ... Biologicals/souls are creatures with a resultant, synergetic access to metaphysical-1 mind/intellect. r6 Poppycock. l7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixe Posted October 19, 2014 Author Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Poppycock. l7 When you actually have something rationally logical, if not also common sensical to say, that invalidates any of my comments as stated, please share. Thx. My guess is you do not,ergo you offer not. r6 Edited October 19, 2014 by cixe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Poppycock and totally unrelated to the quoted article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixe Posted October 19, 2014 Author Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Poppycock and totally unrelated to the quoted article. ..."without which there would be no life here on Earth ".... ..."This suggests that the Hoyle state is a "breathing mode" whereby the equilateral triangle expands.".... All biological/soul life is based on carbon, amongest a few other elements. You need to reread the article and understand better the what the article actually states,and the significance to our existence. If and when you actually have something to say that invalidates any of my comments as stated. Please share. Thx. You do do not offer any--- and especially with rational logic if not also common sense --- because you have not is my best guess. r6 Edited October 19, 2014 by cixe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) All biological/soul life is based on carbon, amongest a few other elements. I agree that all life is based on carbon. (Is there life which is not biological? Is there any reason to bring "soul" into a science forum - that should be restricted to discussions of R&B.) But I fail to see the connection to "a resultant, synergetic access to metaphysical-1 mind/intellect." (whatever that means) Unless you just mean, "here is some news about carbon, carbon is related to life, some living things have an intellect". But that is not really a logical argument, it is just a series of loosely connected statements. It is about on a par with: water is wet, dogs drink water, dogs play with sticks. Edited October 19, 2014 by Strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixe Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 I agree that all life is based on carbon. (Is there life which is not biological? Is there any reason to bring "soul" into a science forum - that should be restricted to discussions of R&B.) But I fail to see the connection to "a resultant, synergetic access to metaphysical-1 mind/intellect." (whatever that means) Unless you just mean, "here is some news about carbon, carbon is related to life, some living things have an intellect". But that is not really a logical argument, it is just a series of loosely connected statements. It is about on a par with: water is wet, dogs drink water, dogs play with sticks. I guess it depends on how life is defined. By using the word biological there is more clarity in what I mean. Same goes for use of the word soul/biological as it clarifies our definitions of word the use. You need to go back and reread the sequence of my thoughts as they occurred involving statements you do not quote above, ex regarding equalateral triangle that began with its being stated in the article. If you do not appear to understand that biologicals/souls and specifically humans are a synergetic syntropic( anti-entropic ) resultant, that results in another synergetic syntropic of acccessing mind/intellect. It may help you to understand what the word synergy actually means. Connected none the less and in sequential way that began with ideas in the article. Whats with the inquistion in these regards? What exactly is that your afraid is happening, or may happen with my post? Wont you or someone always be around to moderate-- or email the moderator ---for those who speak incorrectly or get out of lines or whatever? r6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) You need to go back and reread the sequence of my thoughts as they occurred involving statements you do not quote above, ex regarding equalateral triangle that began with its being stated in the article. Or maybe you need to explain better. If you do not appear to understand that biologicals/souls and specifically humans are a synergetic syntropic( anti-entropic ) resultant, that results in another synergetic syntropic of acccessing mind/intellect. You are right. I don't have a clue what that means. If, indeed, it means anything. As you state this as a fact, perhaps you can provide some references that support this idea? What exactly is that your afraid is happening, or may happen with my post? Why would I be afraid, or even care, what happens to your post. (But it should probably be in Speculations.) Edited October 20, 2014 by Strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixe Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Here is so more similar stuff to help others here assimilate more a comprehensivly broad viewpoint--- certainly Hoyles approach --- in regards to Carbon-12 article(s) "Hoyle predicted his state on the basis of the anthropic principle, arguing that if the state didn't exist we wouldn't be here," he says. Anthropic has to do with human ergo biological/soul. ..."For the past 60 years nuclear physicists have been trying to understand the nature of this "Hoyle state", which is not predicted by standard nuclear models." Not predicted ergo also reminiscent of synergy as is this next quote. ...."This is a very important reaction in the sequence that generates life-giving molecules,"..... r6 Or maybe you need to explain better. You are right. I don't have a clue what that means. If, indeed, it means anything. As you state this as a fact, perhaps you can provide some references that support this idea? Why would I be afraid, or even care, what happens to your post. (But it should probably be in Speculations.) Your obviously afraid of my thougths because of your inquistion-like replies to my simple thoughts and not a danger to anyone. ...."you do not appear to understand that biologicals/souls and specifically humans are a synergetic syntropic( anti-entropic ) resultant, that results in another synergetic syntropic of acccessing mind/intellect.".... Reread and when you get to a word or simple concept you dont understand I will attempt to help you understand that word or simple concept. I've already posted a link to simple graphic to explain synergy. If you still dont get it i can attempt to walk you through it. It is really not as hard you appear to think the above words and concepts are to grasp There all words in dictionary or if not I give a ( dictionary word ) to assist you the reader in understanding. PLease feel free to ask but be specific to the words an/or phrase you do not understand. Ex "you do not appear to understand" is first part of a simple phrase that you post you do not " have a clue". Or maybe it is you dont understand what a biologicals/souls are. Maybe it is the word synergetic or syntropic( anti-entropic ) you dont understand. Maybe you dont understand the word resultant. I dunno what exaclty is you do not have clue too as the most of the words are in dictionary. r6 Edited October 20, 2014 by cixe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 ! Moderator Note Moved to Speculations. Please take the time to read the special rules governing this section. And remember to keep personal attacks out of all discussions here at SFN. Ideas are our focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixe Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 ! Moderator Note Moved to Speculations. Please take the time to read the special rules governing this section. And remember to keep personal attacks out of all discussions here at SFN. Ideas are our focus. Sorry for personal attacks, can you tell me specifically what comment was a personal attack? Inquisition? r6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Sorry for personal attacks, can you tell me specifically what comment was a personal attack? Inquisition? r6 ! Moderator Note Not without going off-topic. You should be able to figure it out. As in past threads, you are failing at communicating your point. You seem more interested in accusations of persecution than in discussing your ideas. Can you skip the Galileo complex and clarify what you wish to discuss? And please, as you well know, response to modnotes is not only unnecessary, it's off-topic and does NOTHING to help anyone understand what you're trying to say. Let me suggest you remove the chip on your shoulder and discuss science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I think that triangular state only exists at very high energies which would destroy life instantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Reread and when you get to a word or simple concept you dont understand I will attempt to help you understand that word or simple concept. If you can't be bothered to explain your thoughts about it, I can't be bothered to make any further effort to understand. The article was interesting. I wonder if the alpha particle structure is maintained in larger nuclei as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixe Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) ! Moderator Note Not without going off-topic. You should be able to figure it out. As in past threads, you are failing at communicating your point. You seem more interested in accusations of persecution than in discussing your ideas. Can you skip the Galileo complex and clarify what you wish to discuss? And please, as you well know, response to modnotes is not only unnecessary, it's off-topic and does NOTHING to help anyone understand what you're trying to say. Let me suggest you remove the chip on your shoulder and discuss science. I have not figure "it" out. ergo my question to you. My comments stand as stated. If and when you find something Ive stated invalid plaese share, by adddressing those comments as stated. You do not beause you have nothing rationally logical that invalidates anything Ive stated. Carbon 12 > equalateral triangles > synerge > biologicals/souls etc......Thx r6 If you can't be bothered to explain your thoughts about it, I can't be bothered to make any further effort to understand. The article was interesting. I wonder if the alpha particle structure is maintained in larger nuclei as well... When you can actually address a word or comment by me that you dont uderstand then you can ask. Are you too ashamed to ask questions when you lack understanding? Please stop making yourself out to be the victum and disscuss my comments as stated, irrespective if you ability understand the words or concepts intended. Thx. r6 Edited October 20, 2014 by cixe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Carbon 12 > equalateral triangles > synerge > biologicals/souls etc......Thx r6 ! Moderator Note That doesn't count as a model. Rules of the speculations section requires "evidence or some sort of proof." i.e. something testable or falsifiable. Dictionary definitions and ">" signs do not suffice. Come up with something that complies with the rules or this will be locked. (Don't waste your shot at this by replying directly to the modnote) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixe Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) "model" I make no claims of a model. Please reread my comments as stated and address as stated. If others do not understand then they remove the chip on their shoulders ex "poppycock" is just one many derogatory type comments that only purpose is to push others buttons and not have a rationally logical-- if not also common sense ---disccusion of ideas, thougths models etc.....so please moderator, focus on correcting their unneccssay unhelpful, off-topic derogatory comments. Thx. r6 Please reread and address my comments as stated regarding Carbon-12 > equlateral triangles > synergy > biologials/souls > anthropic principle etc....... or please move along to find those that only purpose in life is to degrade others with non-helfpful and uneccessary, derogatory statements. My guess is that this forum is over run with them. Sad :--( Thx r6 So, if there is a question that is specific to my commments as stated, please ask, or just move along. I'm happy to attempt to answer questions for those with sincere intent to have rationall logical disscussion. No moderation or derogatory button pushing is needed in this thread. Thx r6 Edited October 20, 2014 by cixe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) 1 equalateral triangle + 1 equlateral trianlgle = 4 equlateral triangles ergo 2D area > 3D volume via synergetic process/operation. Despite that diagram, it is not possible to create a tetrahedron from 2 triangles. All that digram shows (by breaking two triangles into three edges each) is that a tetrahedron has twice as many edges as a triangle. Well, that's a shock. It also doesn't require that the triangles are equilateral. So it is irrelevant to the new information in the article. Also, a carbon 12 nucleus only contains 1 triangle. So: no new information about triangles, half the number of triangles required, and the starting point is bogus anyway. Biologicals/souls are creatures with a resultant, synergetic access to metaphysical-1 mind/intellect. You have yet to show how this is related to triangles. You have not provided any evidence that a thing called a "soul" exists. You would need to look at magnesium-24 to get two equilateral triangles and argon-36 to find a tetrahedron (if the pattern still applies in those cases) Edited October 20, 2014 by Strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 "model" I make no claims of a model. Please reread my comments as stated and address as stated. If others do not understand then they remove the chip on their shoulders ex "poppycock" is just one many derogatory type comments that only purpose is to push others buttons and not have a rationally logical-- if not also common sense ---disccusion of ideas, thougths models etc.....so please moderator, focus on correcting their unneccssay unhelpful, off-topic derogatory comments. Thx. r6 Please reread and address my comments as stated regarding Carbon-12 > equlateral triangles > synergy > biologials/souls > anthropic principle etc....... or please move along to find those that only purpose in life is to degrade others with non-helfpful and uneccessary, derogatory statements. My guess is that this forum is over run with them. Sad :--( Thx r6 So, if there is a question that is specific to my commments as stated, please ask, or just move along. I'm happy to attempt to answer questions for those with sincere intent to have rationall logical disscussion. No moderation or derogatory button pushing is needed in this thread. Thx r6 ! Moderator Note Since it's been made clear that reading your comments has not been helpful in understanding what you wish to discuss, asking people repeatedly to reread them is pointless, and further shows you're unable to comply with the parameters of speculative discussion. Many people asking a single person for clarity should not be met with derision and obfuscation. Please consider starting a blog somewhere. Discussion has not been part of your demonstrable skillset so far. Thread closed for lack of evidence-based support. Please don't open this topic again unless you have new evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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