Everyone has ideas? (split from Why so many crackpots)

[michel123456]

 

QFT.

 

 

 

And this shows me that it's really a strawman argument that SO many people make here. Everyone has ideas, but cranks persist in arguing for them in spite of counter evidence.

Everyone has ideas?

 

Lets make that a challenge.

We have here in order of appearance

elfmotat CaptainPanic studiot StringJunky swansont hypervalent_iodine Ophiolite Strange Phi for All Arete Janus timo Cap'n Refsmmat mississippichem ajb physica s1eep

I want from each one of them a scientific idea on monday morning on my desk.

[Strange]

I want from each one of them a scientific idea on monday morning on my desk.

 

I am not going to come up with a scientific idea. But I can come up with an infinite number of ideas that make as much sense as some of the "personal theories" posted on this and other forums.

[michel123456]

 

I am not going to come up with a scientific idea. But I can come up with an infinite number of ideas that make as much sense as some of the "personal theories" posted on this and other forums.

As you wish.

I will rate this as a null answer.

 

 

Zero for Strange.

[elfmotat]

Everyone has ideas?

 

Lets make that a challenge.

We have here in order of appearance

elfmotat CaptainPanic studiot StringJunky swansont hypervalent_iodine Ophiolite Strange Phi for All Arete Janus timo Cap'n Refsmmat mississippichem ajb physica s1eep

I want from each one of them a scientific idea on monday morning on my desk.

 

I have this theory that the moon is made of cheese...

[michel123456]

Cranks are serious so be serious.

 

And no plagiarism.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moon_is_made_of_green_cheese

[elfmotat]

Cranks are serious so be serious.

 

And no plagiarism.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moon_is_made_of_green_cheese

 

I can't tell whether or not you're serious right now. Because if so, you're being extremely obnoxious.

[michel123456]

 

I can't tell whether or not you're serious right now. Because if so, you're being extremely obnoxious.

 

I am pretty sure other members who know me better understand if I am serious or not.

 

Your (first and second) answer(s) was (were) not in the frame of the question.

So I have to give you zero.

[davidivad]

i believe that a line can be straight and curved at the same time

[elfmotat]

 

I am pretty sure other members who know me better understand if I am serious or not.

 

Your (first and second) answer(s) was (were) not in the frame of the question.

So I have to give you zero.

 

You're in my thread. Maybe other people appreciate whatever shtick you think you're doing right now, but I don't. Cut it out or start your own thread.

[Carrock]

Everyone has ideas?

 

Lets make that a challenge.

We have here in order of appearance

elfmotat CaptainPanic studiot StringJunky swansont hypervalent_iodine Ophiolite Strange Phi for All Arete Janus timo Cap'n Refsmmat mississippichem ajb physica s1eep

I want from each one of them a scientific idea on monday morning on my desk.

Fred Hoyle's steady state universe is overdue for revival. I'll try to have something up for Monday.

[Phi for All]

Everyone has ideas?

 

Lets make that a challenge.

We have here in order of appearance

elfmotat CaptainPanic studiot StringJunky swansont hypervalent_iodine Ophiolite Strange Phi for All Arete Janus timo Cap'n Refsmmat mississippichem ajb physica s1eep

I want from each one of them a scientific idea on monday morning on my desk.

 

That's hilarious. I give an example of why it's a strawman argument, and you counter with yet another strawman.

 

They must cancel each other out, so I'll rate that as a null answer.

[Strange]

First of all, this forum :

It's about science so it is expected to find only scientists here.

 

Of course you wouldn't expect to find only scientists. Many people are interested in science without being scientists.

 

Imagine a Forum for actors where there are no actors, or a Forum for painters where there are no painters.

 

A better analogy would be a forum about theatre or art. Then you would not necessarily expect actors or painters.

 

But what point are you trying to make? Are you saying that it is a good thing for people to stick relentlessly to erroneous ideas?

Fred Hoyle's steady state universe is overdue for revival. I'll try to have something up for Monday.

 

So many crackpots try and defend that idea, it is a bit cliched. We need someone to revive phlogiston.

[studiot]

 

Lets make that a challenge...............................monday morning

 

Why wait till Monday?

 

I published one in June 1986, just for you in "The Survey Review", although I liked the rag better when it was "The Empire Survey Review".

 

My article was entitled

 

"The Use of the Fifth Quadrant"

 

 

There are less than 10 PhD's here.

 

Well I don't have a PhD, though I do sport other postgrad qualifications that I don't bandy about, and I have been know to help modern PhD students with their studies.

 

My feelings on the PhDs and Msc is that the qualifications have become devalued in recent years with the plethora of mediocre takers we now see and I cringe at some of the things that they are awarded for.

After all that is what Albert got for Relativity.

 

davidivad

i believe that a line can be straight and curved at the same time

 

You are nearer the truth than you think.

 

In 3D differential geometry one of the first things to recognise is that a line can twist or curve in two perpendicular directions at the same time, or not as the case may be. So it may be straight in one of these directions and curved in the other!

 

Never mind the clever stuff, the animation showing this is good

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frenet%E2%80%93Serret_formulas

Edited October 18, 2014 by studiot

[ajb]

I want from each one of them a scientific idea on monday morning on my desk.

You mean an original and interesting idea that is worth pursuing?

 

If so, scientific research does not quite work that way. It would be nice to have many lines of attack for a given problem, and sometimes you do, but other times you slog it out and then with a little hindsight you put it all together.

 

If you want to see some recent scientific (I will include pure mathematics here) ideas of mine together with my collaborators see http://arxiv.org/abs/1409.0439 for example. There are lots of original ideas in there.

 

 

After all that is what Albert got for Relativity.

Maybe of topic but...

 

Einstein's PhD dissertation was entitled "A New Determination of Molecular Dimensions". He used classical hydrodynamics and the

theory of diffusion to find a new method of calculating molecular sizes and Avogadro’s number. This was nothing to do with special relativity.

Edited October 19, 2014 by ajb

[michel123456]

 

You're in my thread. Maybe other people appreciate whatever shtick you think you're doing right now, but I don't. Cut it out or start your own thread.

You just got a feeling of what a crank receives when he begins his own thread.. You got angry and you are ready to take it personally with me. I have nothing against you.

I trapped you in an uncomfortable situation that's all. The minus 3 I received means that there are here at least other 2 that are feeling uncomfortable. They don't have the courage to show up because they have no idea on what it is to get an idea. I may be wrong on that but that is my feeling. I don't think AJB for example gave me a minus, he simply answered. So simple.

i believe that a line can be straight and curved at the same time

I think it is an old idea.

 

But why not, I accept that. +1 for Davidivad.

 

As a side note, my ratings are fake. I don;t use the Forum rating system.

 

Why wait till Monday?

 

I published one in June 1986, just for you in "The Survey Review", although I liked the rag better when it was "The Empire Survey Review".

 

My article was entitled

 

"The Use of the Fifth Quadrant"

 

 

Well I don't have a PhD, though I do sport other postgrad qualifications that I don't bandy about, and I have been know to help modern PhD students with their studies.

 

My feelings on the PhDs and Msc is that the qualifications have become devalued in recent years with the plethora of mediocre takers we now see and I cringe at some of the things that they are awarded for.

After all that is what Albert got for Relativity.

 

 

You are nearer the truth than you think.

 

In 3D differential geometry one of the first things to recognise is that a line can twist or curve in two perpendicular directions at the same time, or not as the case may be. So it may be straight in one of these directions and curved in the other!

 

Never mind the clever stuff, the animation showing this is good

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frenet%E2%80%93Serret_formulas

Good

+1 for studiot

 

That's hilarious. I give an example of why it's a strawman argument, and you counter with yet another strawman.

 

They must cancel each other out, so I'll rate that as a null answer.

Yes.

 

But that is not an idea, that is a correct analysis. I'll wait till Monday.

You mean an original and interesting idea that is worth pursuing?

 

If so, scientific research does not quite work that way. It would be nice to have many lines of attack for a given problem, and sometimes you do, but other times you slog it out and then with a little hindsight you put it all together.

 

If you want to see some recent scientific (I will include pure mathematics here) ideas of mine together with my collaborators see http://arxiv.org/abs/1409.0439 for example. There are lots of original ideas in there.

 

 

 

Maybe of topic but...

 

Einstein's PhD dissertation was entitled "A New Determination of Molecular Dimensions". He used classical hydrodynamics and the

theory of diffusion to find a new method of calculating molecular sizes and Avogadro’s number. This was nothing to do with special relativity.

Good.

+1 for AJB

 

Side note. It is terribly difficult to put AJB in an uncomfortable situation.

Edited October 19, 2014 by michel123456

[elfmotat]

You just got a feeling of what a crank receives when he begins his own thread.. You got angry and you are ready to take it personally with me. I have nothing against you.

I trapped you in an uncomfortable situation that's all. The minus 3 I received means that there are here at least other 2 that are feeling uncomfortable. They don't have the courage to show up because they have no idea on what it is to get an idea.

 

That's cute. There's a difference between "getting angry and ready to take it personally" and calling a spade a spade. You intentionally hijacked my thread, and you did it in an obnoxious and purposefully disrespectful manner. Where I'm from they call that trolling.

 

Kindly take your little game elsewhere - the conversation has been sufficiently derailed already.

[studiot]

Post#96

That's an interesting and insightful post, Michael. I wondered where you were going and had some sympathy with your some of your earlier comments.

 

Unfortunately hackles do sometimes rise, particularly about certain subjects, a bit quickly here.

Although this forum seems better than most, due in good measure to relaxed moderation.

 

@elfmotat

I asked a similar question some while back but drew nowhere near the size of discussion we are heading towards 100 posts and still going strong.

Take courage from that.

Edited October 19, 2014 by studiot

[Strange]

The minus 3 I received means that there are here at least other 2 that are feeling uncomfortable.

 

Wrong.

 

Now, why do you put a higher value on having a random idea (and refusing to acknowledge it might be flawed) than rational thought?

[swansont]

Everyone has ideas?

 

Lets make that a challenge.

We have here in order of appearance

elfmotat CaptainPanic studiot StringJunky swansont hypervalent_iodine Ophiolite Strange Phi for All Arete Janus timo Cap'n Refsmmat mississippichem ajb physica s1eep

I want from each one of them a scientific idea on monday morning on my desk.

 

Many of the ideas I have related to science I apply at work, the specifics of which I could not share here without approval, and I'm not going to bother my bosses with that. They are busy people, and this is a trivial discussion.

 

I have contributed to the development, construction and deployment of atomic clocks that comprise the most stable timing ensemble in the world. The success of this, in part, due to ideas I've had.

 

Prior to that I helped build a device to trap radioactive atoms for nuclear/particle experiments. I've been co-author on several papers from this (including Physical Review Letters, which is a fairly prestigious journal)

 

Prior to that I wrote a thesis based on experimental work I did. There were a couple ideas that went into that.

 

 

But that's not the point here. The original question was about crackpots, whose ideas are wrong. I've had PLENTY of wrong ideas. The big difference is that I abandoned each of them when someone pointed out the flaw.

[elfmotat]

Well now my posts just look silly .

[michel123456]

+1 for Swansont positive answer.

 

 

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Side note:

As I wrote above, my plus-minus rating is like blank shooting, I don't use the Forum rating system here since the derailment was not serious.

Edited October 21, 2014 by michel123456

[davidivad]

 

Why wait till Monday?

 

I published one in June 1986, just for you in "The Survey Review", although I liked the rag better when it was "The Empire Survey Review".

 

My article was entitled

 

"The Use of the Fifth Quadrant"

 

 

Well I don't have a PhD, though I do sport other postgrad qualifications that I don't bandy about, and I have been know to help modern PhD students with their studies.

 

My feelings on the PhDs and Msc is that the qualifications have become devalued in recent years with the plethora of mediocre takers we now see and I cringe at some of the things that they are awarded for.

After all that is what Albert got for Relativity.

 

 

You are nearer the truth than you think.

 

In 3D differential geometry one of the first things to recognise is that a line can twist or curve in two perpendicular directions at the same time, or not as the case may be. So it may be straight in one of these directions and curved in the other!

 

Never mind the clever stuff, the animation showing this is good

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frenet%E2%80%93Serret_formulas

that was right on the mark.

thank you for the read.