Sensei Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Boris Nemtsov, critic of putin, has been killed 27-Feb-2015 Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov "Close to midnight on 27 February 2015 in Moscow, Nemtsov was shot four times in the chest as he was walking near the Kremlin with a female companion. He was on the Bolshoi Zamoskvoretsky Bridge when "several people" got out of a white car and shot him in the back, according to the Russian media." BBC source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061 "A leading Russian opposition politician, former Deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov, has been shot dead in Moscow, Russian officials say." "In a recent interview, he had said he feared Russian President Vladimir Putin would have him killed because of his opposition to the war in Ukraine." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Is there some suggestion that the death of the opponent of former Lieutenant colonel of the KGB is, in some way, suspicious? Rats! I can't find the tags for irony. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringJunky Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Well, I think that illustrates what we are dealing with ...in big neon-lit letters. Time for the West to start getting its hands dirty. if we don't proactively assist Ukraine, NATOs words in any future accord will be worthless. Edited to add: Coincidentallty, this just came up: the ex-MI6 chief thinks so too. Russia has become a danger to Britain and the country must be prepared to take steps to defend itself and its allies, the former head of MI6 says. Sir John Sawers, who recently retired after five years as chief of the Secret Intelligence Service, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that Russia poses a "state to state threat". http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31669195 Edited February 28, 2015 by StringJunky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiot Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Did someone in Russia murmer something about a troublesome priest? In the future how will students of history compare the outcomes of the two events? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajb Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I think it show the obvious difference between the West and Russia. I am surprised that our governments were so surprised by Russia's intervention in The Ukraine, and now we have this murder. With the Russian fleet now being able to dock in Cyprus and a continuing build up the the Baltic we should all be worried. Putin is heading towards WWIII. How do we stop him peacefully without loosing too much? That has to be the question on everyone's lips. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 I think it show the obvious difference between the West and Russia. Slightly off-topic: forgot Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning cases? Attack on, arrest and prosecution of pro-democratic defenders.. ?! I am surprised that our governments were so surprised by Russia's intervention in The Ukraine, and now we have this murder. Forgot Alexander Litvinenko case? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko Yeah, right, "everybody" has access to polonium-210 "around corner". Similar like any terrorist goes to shop "around corner" to get rocket launcher vehicle and tank... How do we stop him peacefully without loosing too much? That has to be the question on everyone's lips. There is one way to stop such people. Permanent way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajb Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Slightly off-topic: forgot Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning cases? Attack on, arrest and prosecution of pro-democratic defenders.. ?! The difference as I see it is that Snowden and Manning released classified documents to the public. Nemtsov was arrested for unauthorised protests. Maybe a crime in Russia, maybe it could be seen as an act of a traitor, but it is in my opinion not the same as releasing classified information while a war is in progress. . Forgot Alexander Litvinenko case? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko This should remind everyone that Putin is happy to kill his opponents. There is one way to stop such people. Permanent way. The problem is that it may stop a lot of innocent people, permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringJunky Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 The problem is that it may stop a lot of innocent people, permanently. Also, the person waiting in the wings after Putin could be far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) There is video of whole accident. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=522_1425183348 Edited March 1, 2015 by Sensei 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiveworlds Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Putin is heading towards WWIII. How do we stop him peacefully without loosing too much? Perhaps we need to show European solidarity I think Putin expects us to not really band together to oppose him. Europe has a far higher population and we are well armed Edited March 1, 2015 by fiveworlds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sato Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Putin is an idealogical left-over from the era of the KGB in the USSR and is a pernicious threat (but sometimes so blunt/obvious that it's mocking) to stability and freedom in his own country and others, especially in the recent case of Ukraine. It is also relevant to note here that Nemtsov was a physicist and engineer who, apparently, made several contributions to QM research and developments in acoustics. He was, from what I've read, adamant for democracy and freedom (both of speech and action), and has put serious efforts to promulgating those ideals throughout his life, eventually and unfortunately beat out by the one who epitomized all that he had been fighting. I wish well on Dr. Nemtsov's corpse, to, gracefully, Decay in Peace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Angel Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) An excellent biography of Joseph Stalin is "Stalin, The Court of the Red Tsar" by Simon Montefiore The book discusses the brutal rivalries and corrupt activities that existed in Stalin's government/entourage. And according to one observer: Putin's level of control of the Russian state is comparable to that which Josef Stalin held until his death in 1953. It is no wonder Putin has made efforts to rehabilitate him [stalin] to a respectable figure, not a murderous and paranoid dictator.See The Secret Speech and Putins Cult of Personality Edited March 1, 2015 by Bill Angel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 The final interview with Nemtsov, just 3 hours before death: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11441780/Boris-Nemtsov-Final-interview-given-by-Putin-critic-just-hours-before-his-murder-in-full.html 2nd one, same day http://www.newsweek.com/final-interview-boris-nemtsov-310392 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimaMazin Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Seems he is killed by pro-Putin and pro-Kadyrov religious forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louis wu Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Putin's detractors often come to unfortunate ends. Of course the esteemed statesman has no connection to these events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 Seems he is killed by pro-Putin and pro-Kadyrov religious forces. Really? Read this http://www.mk.ru/politics/2015/03/10/zaur-dadaev-rasskazal-v-sizo-o-svoem-zaderzhanii-i-dele-nemcova.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimaMazin Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Really? Read this http://www.mk.ru/politics/2015/03/10/zaur-dadaev-rasskazal-v-sizo-o-svoem-zaderzhanii-i-dele-nemcova.html Of course I has been deluded by Russian TV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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