dirty Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 I am 31 yrs old and I am able to do almost anything I put my mind to , however I am a high school drop out , My 4th grader and I always do the science fair , from filters to taste of the tongue , to wind turbines , This year we have taken a MOT and added 9v worth of power to the primary voila electro magnet , she did the safe work , and recorded data , I want to make sure the data is right and her to learn from this. I hate variables when defined as independent and dependent and control , I can easily spot them in any example unless its for a project we have done . PLEASE help ,We added a base to mot , put a handle on it and hooked up 9v to leads , used voltage meter to maintain same voltage , same brand batteries, we added barbells to see what weight this electromag could lift ,I TOPIC ! so im sure independent variable would be the weight , I think dependent would be how much weight or did magnet lift y/n ? and the control ? hell only thing we changed was the weight each time , it lifted up to 200 before it lost magnetic bond if your wondering lol her hypo was wrong she thought it would lift inbetween 50-100 .I know this isn't the Higgs Boson , and Im not cheating and If we get it wrong its not about place , we have done fine on are own so far , its about the learning part !!! please help , I will make her identify and explain to her if I know the right answers , and im out of time ! thank you Dirtywhiteboy This is MOT converted electromagnet Common Please
Sensei Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) Your post is such chaotic.. What is question?Strength of magnetic field depends on flowing current, measured in amperes.Q=I*tQ/e is quantity of electrons.So if you have I=1 A, t=1s,there is 6.24*10^18 electrons flowing per second.Plug some ampere meter on wire between electromagnet & batteries, to see it's value.Also plug some variable resistor/potentiometerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentiometerto be able change resistance thus flowing current.I=U/RThen compare mass with different setting of potentiometer. Read ampere from ampere meter. Edited March 3, 2015 by Sensei
Strange Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) What is an MOT? I can't see anything here that fits: http://www.acronymfinder.com/MOT.html Edited March 3, 2015 by Strange
dirty Posted March 4, 2015 Author Posted March 4, 2015 The question was , simply put , I have a hard time identifying dependent and independent variables , and the control . There is no control group . It was 4 in the morning when I posted my query ! The electromagnet we made from the microwave oven transformer works fine , it is ran on 9v , which are constant until connected to the coil and under load. I was trying to list all my variables about are experiment , luckily it iced last night and my daughters school was cancelled /science fair postponed for a day. The experiment was a success , her title was How much weight can my electromagnet lift , we kept the voltage at 9v to keep the results from varying , and I listed what I thought was all variables and control , to which this post was all about , she is in 4th grade so we used weight and gravity to estimate the force to break the bond , the mathematics , greatly appreciated will do us no good . I know it sounds crazy but I cannot identify these variables when we do are own experiment ! Sorry if I am confusing , lack of sleep , and lots of work have my head spinning Electromagnet 2.0 , I can build anything ,but when it comes to elementary education im lost ! Internet says I need a placebo , and Newton says it hurts when random apples fall from the sky !
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