I'm Newbie on Learning and Understanding The Relationship Between Quantum and Universe, Phase Medium Theory

[tylers100]

[note: I'm newcomer/not-fully-native with English language to learning and understanding things about universe and quantum. I'm no scientist/philosopher/researcher, just a regular person who is trying to make sense of the existential nature of this universe and beyond in my own way. I just want to express and form my thoughts into this post and share it to you people and maybe get some inputs from you guys.]

Familiarity Introduction

The universe we live in is physical, temporal, and generally observable. All of that are mostly familiar to us, and some of us feel comfortable with that.

Then we encounter quantum mechanics/physics: uncertainly about location of a particle, “a particle can be in two places at once” / spooky action at distance, power of observation (Schrodinger's cat), and others – and some examples from: [ref - http://www.saidwhat.co.uk/didyouknow/strange-things-about-quantum-mechanics]

Results of Double-slit Experiments and Quantum

I do not fully comprehend and don't have extensive knowledge and understanding of the double-slit experiments and quantum mechanics, so I'm only making my own interpretations the best I can at this moment. My understanding and knowledge are mostly from reading some of the following book:

- Quantum Enigma - Quantum Encounters Consciousness Second Edition by Bruce Rosenblum and Fred Kuttner

Please go ahead and correct me if you want whether if I'm completely wrong or not: Are the results produced by double-slit experiments are actually the result of light particles being dis-integrated or transformed into quantum and back more easily than other, or perhaps than rest of physical matter in this universe? But how?

It makes logical sense that there has to be an enclosure of sort.. surrounding each and every particle, to make the connection(s) between particles to be possible - to make something seemingly impossible to be possible. We... at this moment just merely don't have the ability to have perceptions of the connections and / or the enclosure (with mechanism in it) behind those connections.

An enclosure.. it's something I call the phase medium. (note: these words make sense in my head somehow, but however if you guys have a better term name suggestion.. let me know.)

Is it possible that what scientists/researchers witnessed produced by the double-slit experiments may be actually the phase medium at work?

The Phase Medium

[note: see the attached image at the bottom of this post. wave-function symbol image from http://blog.michaelgaio.com/2011/09/25/archetypal-semiotic-transference/ and right-side picture is from http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/wallpaper.php?id=PIA04221 ]

I think there is a relationship between quantum and universe.. it is something called phase medium. The phase is sort of medium between quantum and universe, but is really an extension part of the universe.

If the phase medium is extension part of the universe, then why it exist? It exists to convert information between quantum and universe. Example: A pair of shoes is in a state of flux (or wave function?) and is everywhere/everything at once, then the phase medium converts the... "matrix" information of that pair of shoes from quantum into physical universe.

Without the phase medium, we'd be... everywhere/everything at once (as pure wave functions) or reside "in/out" the quantum.

I think the phase medium is also responsible for enforcing the known physics laws in this universe.

If an observer is required to have something exist, then surely in his/her/it own way.. he/she/it would have perceptions of something more different and stranger than what we actually normally can, right? But yet, why do we... as evidently observe and verify same things? Example: An apple. Two people standing close to it. Person #A said, "I can see red-green apple. Can you too?" Person #B replied back, "Yes, I can." So, they must both share the same perceptions. But.. whose observation makes the red-green apple at very first place? For me, I think it is the phase medium that is responsible for making the red-green apple to exist as it is. Another example - moon: A person passed away, but there are still other people. They can still see the moon, right? The moon will be still there when we are gone hundreds of years later, right? I think that is correct and fixed. But whose observation made the moon to be fixed or exist as it is at first place? I say phase medium.

Where did it came from? How did it came about? What does it look like? I don't know exactly.. just this: converting “matrix” of information from quantum to universe, and ensuring/enforcing those to behave according to its own physics laws.

Perceptions, Time, and Universe

We all live in a 4-D universe, with a chance to make perceptions (feel, touch, see, and smell) without having to be everything/everywhere at once in quantum.. do we owe thanks to the phase medium? However, we so far cannot seem to have perceptions of the phase medium itself. Why? Perhaps we aren't well evolved and / or do not have the technological ability to do that. Or we simply have inherent inability to perceive it, for forever?

I think time as dimension itself is hard to define as it is by-product or an emergent property of animation happening in three dimensions (xyz or width/height/depth) universe, but.. the mechanism(s) behind the animation (or Life/Consciousness?) at this moment are very complex and not fully understood by myself at this moment.

Is the universe including the phase medium formed from “bottom to up”, not the other way.. and is expanding?

Quantum

The quantum.. is it the realm where everything originated from? I don't know exactly for sure, just this possibility: The quantum realm is full of infinite number of imaginable and unimaginable possibilities of.. everything.

Comments

Personally I don't think that this universe we all live in is just singular cosmic existence of everything. I think it's possible that there exist a multi-verse or mega multi-verse containing multi-verses, then in turn containing multiple universes.. each with same or different physical physics laws. Also each could be a virtual simulation of reality for all we know.. also containing sub-realities within and so on.. (russian dolls.)

Perhaps in quantum, nothing is absolute or fixed.. It's just the phase medium that is making sure everything as we experience in this universe to be fixed. It is the phase medium that needs to be investigated and understood.

[ajb]

Trying to learn more about the quantum nature of the Universe is great. Basically we generally believe that the Universe is inherently quantum mechanical.

 

Now, I have never heard of the 'phase medium' and have no idea what you are talking about here.

[imatfaal]

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[tylers100]

My apologies to moderator for posting it under quantum theory at first place.

Oh yes, I know the "phase medium" is probably unheard of as it is made up by myself because I was trying to abstractly or conceptually describe something that is surrounding (or inter-connected) each particle. Yeah, it is a bit intangible.. or perhaps my choice of term words (phase medium) is poor. Maybe I should use quantum phase or something like that?

Okay. I will try to explain what the phase medium is with analogies and other explanations.

Analogy #1: Imagine a room, and 100 balls floating in it. Every ball is connected to each others via wool string. Now.. just substitute the "wool string" words with "phase medium".

Analogy #2: 100 billions of neurons in an average/normal human brain, right? Each neuron is connected to around 10,000 neurons via dendrites. Now.. just substitute the "dendrites" words with "phase medium". Do you get what I'm talking about now?

Very simple explanation: Phase medium is.. similar to octopus creature. Its tentacles are connected to all particles. It takes quantum stuff from quantum realm, and turn quantum stuff into physical stuff or things that we can make perceptions of. Or when something happen in universe like double-slit experiments, the octopus turns light or physical stuff into quantum stuff and back to physical. It also makes sure the physics laws are obeyed.

The bottom line is.. I think there exists something fundamental that is connecting to every particle in this entire universe. And that something I call phase medium. It.. has the ability to change two or more of separated particles at great distance to whatever directions or states. The phase medium is unseen because our perceptions are not well-evolved, or inherently inability due to our limited chemical make-up or something like that.

[imatfaal]

Not sure I agree with any of above - but real kudos for quickly explaining what you had in mind by the phrase "phase medium"

[ajb]

Maybe I should use quantum phase or something like that?

That would course even more confusion.

 

 

Okay. I will try to explain what the phase medium is with analogies and other explanations.

So now do some model building to show that your idea is even plausible. From there we need to address the issue of testability. This will separate science and philosophy.

 

Your 'phase medium' sounds a bit like a field to me, something that allows particles to interact with each other.

Edited March 13, 2015 by ajb

[Mordred]

Ajb's mention of fields is what I also see you explaining. Instead of interconnected, think of it as a field of baseline particles.

 

well use the electromagnetic field as an example. Fill every point in space with photons (photon is the force carrying gauge boson. Add a particle to this field then describe the range of influence in that field.

 

The key thing to note the forces are mediated by particle to particle interactions. Called gauge bosons,

 

electromagnetic is photons

strong force is qluons

weak force is w and z bosons

gravity would be gravitons but we have no proof of gravitons

[swansont]

 

Analogy #1: Imagine a room, and 100 balls floating in it. Every ball is connected to each others via wool string. Now.. just substitute the "wool string" words with "phase medium".

 

 

Would that just be some sort of interaction between each of the particles?

[tylers100]

imatfaal: I try to.

ajb: I'm not fully sure on how to produce model building of my idea the scientific way, as I'm non-scientist. I googled but still do not fully understand how to.. but I know how to make basic models using image editing program (create a simple 2-D graphic image) or use diagram software to create flowchart image or draw models of my idea then scan it to my computer.. is any of that at least sufficient? Is this a good example of modeling? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_modelling#/media/File:Atmosphere_composition_diagram.svg

Morded and swansont: I'm not well educated on elementary particles, but.. after visiting this webpage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_particle- yes, elementary particles: gauge bosons group = interactions between particles "within" phase medium.

I have some more thoughts and explanations on phase medium but I will post about it on tomorrow or so. You guys have good night or day.

[ajb]

I'm not fully sure on how to produce model building of my idea the scientific way, as I'm non-scientist. I googled but still do not fully understand how to.. but I know how to make basic models using image editing program (create a simple 2-D graphic image) or use diagram software to create flowchart image or draw models of my idea then scan it to my computer.. is any of that at least sufficient? Is this a good example of modeling? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_modelling#/media/File:Atmosphere_composition_diagram.svg

Not really, but it is great you are thinking about how to model phenomena.

 

I have some more thoughts and explanations on phase medium but I will post about it on tomorrow or so. You guys have good night or day.

One question has to be what do you really understand about the standard formalism of quantum mechanics? Related to this is why do you think we need a 'phase medium'?

 

So far your analogies have been useful, but they only suggest something like a standard interaction. There seems to be no need for this medium; which you have not yet defined carefully..

[tylers100]

[note: scanned picture of very simple drawing at bottom of this post]

Definitions of Phase Medium:

I'm going list definitions for phase medium in the next couple of paragraphs. The phase medium theory is entirely speculative and is baseless, but regardless I want to share my thoughts on it to you guys.

1. What is it? Phase medium is membrane-alike lining between quantum realm and elementary particles. It's like invisible and untouchable water. It governs ALL interactions between known particles, AND interactions between particles and quantum realm. It "mechanically" ensures that the laws of physics are obeyed at both micro and macro scale due to the compatibility factor.

2. What it is made of? Phase medium particles. Maybe let's call these "pm" particles or something like that. Those covers or coats all known elementary particles. Those pm particles are special, those can interact elementary particles to and from between quantum realm depending on condition(s) effected/caused by elementary particles, I think.

3. Why it exist? If without the phase medium, how are the elementary particles going to be "enforced" to follow the laws of physics? The laws of physics exist because of the compatibility factor that exists in the phase medium.. between particles, and between quantum realm and particles. The key words are compatibility factor. The particles does things in sort of mechanical way, right? Each particle adds up (is compatible with another similar particle or certain particles, making direct effect or side effect) or not (incompatible but nevertheless could make direct effect or side-effect).

4. Where is it? It's everywhere. It is the container of this reality / universe.

5. How did it formed? I think the phase medium was formed along with the big bang from catalytic events in quantum realm. However, I think it might is evolving along with the expanding of the universe. Bottom to up approach.

6. How do it work? I do not entirely know. Not much to say except it simply enables and enforces (laws of physics) all interactions between particle to particle, and between particles and quantum realm. And it's stabilizer and container of this reality / universe.

7. What am I saying? I think the quantum mechanics (results) might be the phase medium at work.

8. How do we find an evidence of its existence? I do not know exactly how. Since it is likely invisible and untouchable we might need to make an inference of its existence from experiments, mathematics models, or something like that.

I think the phase medium will be the final piece needed to be identified out of all unknown and other particles making up the entirely of physics.. science.. everything. lol I feel like actually talking out of my ass. I really don't fully know what I am saying.. but though, I want to share in case if my idea is somehow useful. If not, fine.. no harm in trying and sharing, right?

For some reason this post made me think of wrap drive or faster than light (FTL) jump technology with quantum based computer navigation box. Heh.

I've done what I can to share my thoughts to you guys. I feel better.

[Mordred]

This description is similar enough to the Eather theory, this theory has been proven wrong.

 

Space itself has no substance, it's not in and of itself made up of particles Or some phantom medium

 

Space is geometric volume, that volume has the particles were all familiar with residing within that volume.

 

In terms of forces, virtual gauge bosons transfer the momentum, charge etc from one particle to the other in an exchange. Or more correctly interaction.

 

This is true even in field theories.

One thing to note QM uses a mathematical representation called phase space.

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_space

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_space_formulation

Sometimes called the Wigner distribution functions WDF.

 

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcds.cern.ch%2Frecord%2F709576%2Ffiles%2F0402021.pdf&rct=j&q=phase%20space%20formulation%20pdf&ei=xBgFVaX3BcKrgwT4toGICA&usg=AFQjCNGEs3lCFu3-O9xA9uSIwJEajgJiVg&sig2=3W-ujG3_AamjWAWXigBuuw

 

This article has a good coverage. Though technical in the mathematics

This article discusses several formulations used in QM, and does a quick comparison review of each

 

"Nine formulations of quantum mechanics"

 

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CDYQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmath.bu.edu%2Fpeople%2Fmak%2FStyer%2520Am%2520J%2520Phys%25202002.pdf&rct=j&q=phase%20space%20formulation%20pdf&ei=oR0FVeSHE8rmoATa1IKAAw&usg=AFQjCNHdWWBw7bMzkO-_n0EeW40pT0R2Jw&sig2=lANnuT-YaLUdkjUFnm79tA

Edited March 15, 2015 by Mordred

[ajb]

1. What is it? Phase medium is membrane-alike lining between quantum realm and elementary particles. It's like invisible and untouchable water.

Elementary particles dance to the music of quantum mechanics. I don't understand the idea of linking the 'quantum realm and elementary particles'.

 

It governs ALL interactions between known particles, AND interactions between particles and quantum realm.

We have the standard model of particle physics and this does a good job of governing the interactions, well apart from gravity.

 

 

It "mechanically" ensures that the laws of physics are obeyed at both micro and macro scale due to the compatibility factor.

This sounds a bit like you are thinking of the classical limit of quantum theories. That is, you are interested in how the classical laws arise from quantum theory.

 

2. What it is made of? Phase medium particles. Maybe let's call these "pm" particles or something like that. Those covers or coats all known elementary particles. Those pm particles are special, those can interact elementary particles to and from between quantum realm depending on condition(s) effected/caused by elementary particles, I think.

So if you want particles, then the modern way of thinking is in terms of quantum fields. Even your description of real particles being covered with 'pm' particles sounds a bit like 'dressed' and 'undressed' particles in perturbative quantum field theory.

 

Now it seems that you are closer to a mathematical model. What is the nature of this 'phase field'? Is it bosonic or fermionic? (or neither!)

 

3. Why it exist? If without the phase medium, how are the elementary particles going to be "enforced" to follow the laws of physics? The laws of physics exist because of the compatibility factor that exists in the phase medium.. between particles, and between quantum realm and particles. The key words are compatibility factor. The particles does things in sort of mechanical way, right? Each particle adds up (is compatible with another similar particle or certain particles, making direct effect or side effect) or not (incompatible but nevertheless could make direct effect or side-effect).

 

I don't understand your need for such a medium. The problem of understanding the classical limit of quantum theory does not require such a medium. There is no need to invoke some extra 'stuff' here. That said, understanding details of how quantum de-coherence occurs is not fully understood, but again this extra medium seems not to be needed.

 

 

4. Where is it? It's everywhere. It is the container of this reality / universe.

Again, this sounds like a field.

 

5. How did it formed? I think the phase medium was formed along with the big bang from catalytic events in quantum realm. However, I think it might is evolving along with the expanding of the universe. Bottom to up approach.

Well, the question of when fields were formed is not easy, we don't understand the very early Universe well.

 

6. How do it work? I do not entirely know. Not much to say except it simply enables and enforces (laws of physics) all interactions between particle to particle, and between particles and quantum realm. And it's stabilizer and container of this reality / universe.

Again, this sounds like a field. Fields allow particles to 'talk to each other'.

 

7. What am I saying? I think the quantum mechanics (results) might be the phase medium at work.

You want particles to be classical, but when the phase medium is 'turned on' you get a quantum theory?

 

8. How do we find an evidence of its existence? I do not know exactly how. Since it is likely invisible and untouchable we might need to make an inference of its existence from experiments, mathematics models, or something like that.

Would you expect to be able to see 'phase medium particles'? Do they interact with each other? Would you expect them to be seen at the LHC, maybe even indirectly by say energy loss?

 

I think the phase medium will be the final piece needed to be identified out of all unknown and other particles making up the entirely of physics.. science.. everything.

Of course it is still not clear what you really mean by the phase medium or why you think we need it.

 

I am unsure what you know about the standard formulations of quantum mechanics and field theory.

[tylers100]

ajb: I do not know anything about the standard formulations of quantum mechanics and field theory. I'm non-scientist and newcomer. I mentioned I only read some of the Quantum Encounters Consciousness book and some websites on double-slit experiments.

Let's forget all about the phase medium theory I posted.

I prematurely went ahead and made the phase medium theory when the facts are that I do not possess any formal education on classical and quantum physics, not enough to warrant or justify the creation of phase medium theory. I jumped too ahead. I guess I was caught up with my idea or something like that.

Thank you all.. ajb, mordred, and others for your time replying to my posts. But.. by now, it might become apparent that it was waste of your time. It was my mistake to post it here at first place. I'm sorry.

[Mordred]

No problem it's never a waste of time when someone learns. A good site that provides some textbooks to read online is http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/

 

My signature also has numerous textbook style articles

[Bignose]

But.. by now, it might become apparent that it was waste of your time. It was my mistake to post it here at first place. I'm sorry.

I didn't participate in this thread, but did read it. Tylers100, it is never a mistake to offer a new idea. The mistake is in not learning from feedback. Click on almost any other thread in this section, and so very often the author clings to their idea in the face of usually overwhelming evidence. You didn't. You looked at what was presented and understood that your idea doesn't fit with what is known. No mistake here. If anything, a shining example of how most people who actually take science seriously should behave.

 

This is actually exactly how real science goes. Someone has an idea, and then checks to see if that idea agrees with what is known. When you become skilled and have a good amount of knowledge, a lot of time a scientist can do this themselves. But bouncing ideas off of colleagues happens all the time, too. And at every scientific conference, people are lined up to ask questions of the presenters. This back and forth happens all the time. Again, the correct way to deal with it is to listen to the feedback and understand how it jives with your idea and go from there.

Edited March 15, 2015 by Bignose

[tylers100]

Mordred: Thanks for the links. The one with by Feynman lectures.. I bookmarked it for later reading.

Bignose: Yes, check known facts on physics against ideas to see if these ideas are compatible with or not and then listen or read feedback.. keep or revise or discard ideas afterwards. I didn't do the first thing above at first place, I realized that.. but learned lessons as time and more feedback inputs start rolling in.

I'm interested in learning and understanding more about the classical physics and quantum mechanics, but I'm a bit worried about my ability to tackle the mathematics side. Mathematics was not my strongest suit back in high school years. I'm more of visual person.

The motivation for my interest / wanting to learn physics is having a complete picture of universe with knowledge and understanding of scientific facts, and perhaps then contribute to development of some sort of technology application(s) that can benefit us.

I have many questions to ask myself about the physics but for now, I suspect I might will find answers on the links Mordred provided and elsewhere. And or I could ask questions on homework/help section.

At this moment, to me.. the physics is sorta like very complicated 3D jigsaw puzzles with perpetual motion.

[Mordred]

The Feynman lectures are excellent for teaching the math as well as basic physics, anyone here can help.

 

We also have some very capable mathematicians on this site.

 

The handy part is you can reference the page your stuck on in the lectures.

Edited March 15, 2015 by Mordred

[ajb]

ajb: I do not know anything about the standard formulations of quantum mechanics and field theory. I'm non-scientist and newcomer.

The old saying 'walk before you run' is apt here.

 

Without any understanding of quantum mechanics how can you see the need for this 'phase medium'? You need some grounding in what we do know well before you can try to tackle problems.

 

 

I prematurely went ahead and made the phase medium theory when the facts are that I do not possess any formal education on classical and quantum physics, not enough to warrant or justify the creation of phase medium theory.

It sounds harsh, but it is true.

 

Thank you all.. ajb, mordred, and others for your time replying to my posts. But.. by now, it might become apparent that it was waste of your time. It was my mistake to post it here at first place. I'm sorry.

No problem at all. Moreover, it was not a waste of time. I am always happy to talk to people interested in science, ad you clearly are. Just right now you are thinking 'too far ahead'. Don't loose the interest and work hard at understanding the basics first. Good luck and please ask questions on this forum at any time.