DARK ENERGY and the anti gravity expansion of galaxies

[acsinuk]

The horizon program on Thursday casts doubt on the existence of gravity waves; as the ripple could be cosmic dust generated. Anyway, this is just as well as gravity is attractive not expansive so would makes balancing the universe even more difficult.

Dark energy should in my opinion be renamed dark force as we are looking for a repulsive force to push the galaxies apart. A sort of repulsive accelerator.

[swansont]

I think it's more likely the program mentioned that a particular study did not pan out (probably BICEP2), and that they were talking about gravitational waves.

 

Aside from that, is there a topic of discussion here?

[acsinuk]

Yes, dark energy is in my view the incorrect name for the dark repulsion force that pushes stars apart.

Now if that repulsive force were electrostatic that would make sense to me. But to spin galaxies in bar spiral all together we will require to have a common magnetic field extending outward from a magnetic hub holding the galactic stars in position; thus avoiding collisions.

Do you think the standard gravitational model can explain how bar spiral stars are held together without some modification ?

[swansont]

Yes, dark energy is in my view the incorrect name for the dark repulsion force that pushes stars apart.

 

That's not an accurate description of the situation, AFAIK. It's about the expansion of space. The stars (galaxies, really) are just along for the ride.

[Strange]

Now if that repulsive force were electrostatic that would make sense to me.

Why? Have you calculated how much charge objects would have to have at that distance to generate enough force to cause the acceleration?

 

And it would also require galaxies to all have the same charge. Why would that be? And why would galaxies stay together if that was the case?

 

It makes no sense to me. But go ahead and present dat, calculations and evidence to change my mind.

Dark energy should in my opinion be renamed dark force

 

Renaming it doesn't help solve the problem.

[imatfaal]

If this were a repulsive force then surely it would be greater for nearer objects (ie inverse square or other power) - thus the gaps between nearby clusters would be opening quicker than the gaps between distanct clusters. What we observe is that - as long as not gravitationally bound - that the expansion and the acceleration of that scales with distance. This fits an expansion of space - but not a repulsive force

[MigL]

I think there's some confusion in acsinuk's mind between 'dark matter', which is postulated to account for the spiral shapes of galaxies, and 'dark energy' which is postulated to account for the accelerated expansion of the universe.

The 'dark' aspect simply implies unknown.

[acsinuk]

The evidence that magnetism is a force that can rotate particles is shown on the magnet-flipper vortice video. If this unaccountable magnetic force is applied to a galaxy of stars then both dark matter and dark energy can be visualised, in my opinion, as a 3D electric magnetic-flux affect

[Strange]

The evidence that magnetism is a force that can rotate particles is shown on the magnet-flipper vortice video. If this unaccountable magnetic force is applied to a galaxy of stars then both dark matter and dark energy can be visualised, in my opinion, as a 3D electric magnetic-flux affect

 

OK. So it is magnetic now, rather than electrostatic?

 

In which case, the problems only increase.

 

1. Can you show that galaxies have a significant magnetic field?

 

2. Can you show what the force would be between two galaxies at cosmological distances?

 

3. Why wouldn't this magnetic force disrupt galaxies and galaxy clusters? (Given the shorter distances involved)

 

4. Can you explain why this would be a repulsive force, rather than an attractive force (depending on relative orientation)?

 

5. There are no magnetic monopoles, which means that the force would fall off as the cube of distance (I think). But gravity falls off as the square of distance. Therefore gravity would dominate as distance increased. So how does magnetism explain accelerating expansion?

 

6. If the effects of dark energy are caused by magnetism, what caused a change such that expansion began accelerating?

[swansont]

The evidence that magnetism is a force that can rotate particles is shown on the magnet-flipper vortice video. If this unaccountable magnetic force is applied to a galaxy of stars then both dark matter and dark energy can be visualised, in my opinion, as a 3D electric magnetic-flux affect

 

 

Work the numbers and show this.

[Strange]

Yes, dark energy is in my view the incorrect name for the dark repulsion force that pushes stars apart.

 

But stars aren't pushed apart. Even nearby galaxies are not pushed apart.

 

Also, it isn't clear whether you are talking about expanding space or dark energy, or both. If you want to replace the model of expanding space with this idea, then you need to show that general relativity is wrong. Good luck!

 

Do you think the standard gravitational model can explain how bar spiral stars are held together without some modification ?

 

It certainly seems to.

[Mordred]

The evidence that magnetism is a force that can rotate particles is shown on the magnet-flipper vortice video. If this unaccountable magnetic force is applied to a galaxy of stars then both dark matter and dark energy can be visualised, in my opinion, as a 3D electric magnetic-flux affect

If you actually study the FLRW metrics, the Einstein field equations or even LQC. Then look at the term

 

Homogeneous and isotropic expansion, as it is measured to apply to how large scale structures are separating with uniformity you would realize that LSS, are not being pushed.

 

Take a uniform and even interaction every where in equal measure at every point in space. Let's use pressure. Which is force per volume aka vacuum energy density.

 

Then apply Newtons laws of motion.

 

Lets use any object say a galaxy,

 

Now as that pressure is homogeneous and isotropic there is no preferred direction or location. The pressure is uniformly distributed.

 

As this uniform distribution surrounds the galaxies, there is no net direction in the sum of forces.

 

The galaxies can therefore gain zero momentum.

 

This is in extremely strong agreement with observational evidence.

 

Your electromagnetic whatever force cannot cause a homogeneous and isotropic expansion. Polarity has preferred directions.

 

The cosmological constant (dark energy is a possibility) is a homogeneous and isotropic term, with the properties that can be described accurately as a vacuum ( pressure) influence.

The only thing that changes between LSS, and galaxies is the volume between those structures. The structures do not gain any momentum or inertia.

You cannot have a homogeneous and isotropic expansion using any of the 4 forces as they all have preferred directions and locations.

 

According to the best of observable evidence, the cosmological constant (dark energy, possibly a contributor)

 

Has a scalar uniform distribution.

 

The four forces are vectoral

[acsinuk]

The large scale structure of the universe is the result of electro static repulsion of galaxies whose stars are spun, as demonstrated by magnet-flipper vortice video; in spirals and bar-spirals by the 3D magnoflux or magnetic momentum energy that is linking them together magnetically. There is no spare magnetised space inside the universe; so the universe can only expand around the edges into the unmagnetised space of nothingness.

The Faraday rotation investigations are proving beyond doubt that space is magnetised and this effect must be taken into account in order to balance the universe. For galaxies this repulsion accelerating force is about 23 times stronger than gravity and is called dark energy.

Edited March 23, 2015 by acsinuk

[Strange]

The large scale structure of the universe is the result of electro static repulsion of galaxies

 

Just repeating this doesn't make it true. You will need to provide some evidence. If there were electrostatic repulsion it would have to be strong enough to overcome gravity. In this case, the stars in galaxy would repel one another and galaxies would not form.

 

 

 

 

The Faraday rotation investigations are proving beyond doubt that space is magnetised

 

Citation needed.

 

 

the 3D magnoflux or magnetic momentum energy

 

Ah, yes the quantum frobnitz effect at work causing microscalar twiddlyboms.

 

 

For galaxies this repulsion accelerating force is about 23 times stronger than gravity and is called dark energy.

 

So why are galaxies locally bound by gravity? Why do we only see expansion on very large scales? Dark energy is required to explain the accelerating expansion; not just expansion.

[swansont]

The large scale structure of the universe is the result of electro static repulsion of galaxies

 

Charge either attracts or repels. How can you have net attraction of all the stars in a galaxy, and have a net charge on them?

[acsinuk]

Yes, like charges repel each other in galactic terms at 23 times the force of gravity. But now consider; if each individual galaxy is separately magnetised; then it will be rotated by a magnetic force that is at right angles to voltage direction and there you have it, an electro-magnetic universe that balances as shown in the 3D magnoflux blog

[Strange]

Yes, like charges repel each other in galactic terms at 23 times the force of gravity.

 

Yes, you have made this assertion before. Now it is time to support it.

 

Please provide some evidence that the electric charge of galaxies is sufficient to achieve that.

 

Please explain what holds galaxies together if they have a net positive charge which is 23 times greater than the gravity of the stars.

 

But now consider; if each individual galaxy is separately magnetised

 

So is it charge or magnetism?

 

then it will be rotated by a magnetic force that is at right angles to voltage direction

 

Where is this magnetic force coming from?

 

Where is the voltage coming from?

 

and there you have it, an electro-magnetic universe that balances

 

Please show mathematically how these forces balance.

Edited March 25, 2015 by Strange

[acsinuk]

The magnetisation of the universe is absolutely essential otherwise the transmission of light which is an electro-magnetic energy vibration will not be possible. We know from Faraday rotation measurements that this is probably the case but proving it is something else.

The magnet-flipper video demonstrates that ions are spun helically by a magnetic field which if applied to a galaxy would result in the stars spinning into spirals as witnessed by cosmologists who using only gravity have no explanation of this phenomenon.

The stars, which are positively charged environments, all repel each other electrostatically which not only stops them colliding with other stars in their own galaxy but also results in the gradual expansion of the volume of the universe .

To mathematically balance the forces, we will need to re-visit the WMAP results and forget about dark energy and dark matter; just attribute the forces in the universe to their electrical origins

[swansont]

The magnetisation of the universe is absolutely essential otherwise the transmission of light which is an electro-magnetic energy vibration will not be possible. We know from Faraday rotation measurements that this is probably the case but proving it is something else.

Yes. Something you have not done. You've been asked many questions, and answered basically none. It's put up or shut up time.

 

The magnet-flipper video demonstrates that ions are spun helically by a magnetic field which if applied to a galaxy would result in the stars spinning into spirals as witnessed by cosmologists who using only gravity have no explanation of this phenomenon.

What magnet-flipper video? You've mentioned it, but provided no link.

 

The stars, which are positively charged environments, all repel each other electrostatically which not only stops them colliding with other stars in their own galaxy but also results in the gradual expansion of the volume of the universe .

How do we have galaxies if everything repels? How do we have so many binary star systems?

 

 

To mathematically balance the forces, we will need to re-visit the WMAP results and forget about dark energy and dark matter; just attribute the forces in the universe to their electrical origins

No we, you. YOU need to explain how this is somehow possible.

[acsinuk]

See magnet-flipper vortex video YouTube clip. There are several and I have repeated the experiment with a 12 volt battery electrolysing a NaCl solution with magnet as cathode and a carbon rod anode. It works a treat. Will do a YouTube of it tomorrow

[Strange]

See magnet-flipper vortex video YouTube clip. There are several and I have repeated the experiment with a 12 volt battery electrolysing a NaCl solution with magnet as cathode and a carbon rod anode. It works a treat. Will do a YouTube of it tomorrow

 

So no evidence for this idea than?

 

In which case we can conclude it is obviously wrong.

[acsinuk]

The WMAP experiment was made to prove the universe would balance with just gravitation and inertia; but it did not balance so the dark forces were dreamed up.

Faraday rotation experiments confirm magnetization and neutron stars can't exist.

Existing theory is insufficient to explain any of the above but if the universe is magnetize we have spin and if galaxies outer stars repel each other we have expansion. All we need to do is work out what the strength of these dark electric and magnetic forces are!

[Strange]

The WMAP experiment was made to prove the universe would balance with just gravitation and inertia; but it did not balance so the dark forces were dreamed up.

 

The need for dark energy was known before WMAP. That just gave us more precise data.

 

Speaking of data: are you going to provide any evidence for your claims? Or just continue making baseless (and incorrect) assertions? If the latter, then I assume the thread can be closed.

 

 

but if the universe is magnetize we have spin and if galaxies outer stars repel each other we have expansion.

 

Please explain, in appropriate mathematical detail, how this would work.

 

 

All we need to do is work out what the strength of these dark electric and magnetic forces are!

 

Yes, that is what we are asking you to do.

Edited April 1, 2015 by Strange

[swansont]

See magnet-flipper vortex video YouTube clip.

 

That's not a link.

if galaxies outer stars repel each other we have expansion.

 

If stars repel each other you don't have galaxies in the first place.

[acsinuk]

I have repeated the magnet-flipper experiment and uploaded a copy on YouTube which you can see by Googling "ACSINUK YouTube" and selecting the first video.

The universe is absolutely certainly magnetised.

If you have any proof that it is not then please declare it and at the same time explain how magnetars manage to exist and emit gamma radiation.