reverse Posted July 4, 2005 Posted July 4, 2005 This is the part that relates to me as I have mentioned in my other posts. I don't know what "they are sending"' date=' all I know is old people and children can throw "something" out when they want to, and sometimes that "something" scares me big time. .[/quote'] Hi B... I think we all get strong empathic projections from other people. I'm not sure what it is or how it works. but it seems real enough. ...but have you noticed that there are a few people who give no emotive reflection in your senses. they feel kind of numb? what do you suppose that is all about?
Bettina Posted July 4, 2005 Author Posted July 4, 2005 Hi B... I think we all get strong empathic projections from other people. I'm not sure what it is or how it works. but it seems real enough. ...but have you noticed that there are a few people who give no emotive reflection in your senses. they feel kind of numb? what do you suppose that is all about? I don't know, but thankfully, at least with me, they are the great majority like my dad, teachers, happy people, etc. Its those others that I want to know about. Last Christmas something happened between me and some seniors. I saw something when I was talking with them that scared me into a cold sweat. I'm going to find out what it is. Kids and old people.....why? Bettina
reverse Posted July 6, 2005 Posted July 6, 2005 Before you go hunting down the unidentified sensations you are perceiving from the seniors…could you give me a clearer picture of the sorts of sensations that you can identify normally. Like for me, the word “Empathy” signifies a sort of kindness. Very unlike…say…. Anger and rage. it can be detected in others…but I would hardly call that empathy. I mean when a dog gets down low bears its fangs and starts to growl…you don’t need any street sign to tell you friendship is not on it’s mind. So too with sadness,. So can you describe in words a specific example of the sorts of sensations you get from particular people? I cant think of any other way to try and identify what exactly it is that you are experiencing.
atinymonkey Posted July 6, 2005 Posted July 6, 2005 Like for me' date=' the word “Empathy” signifies a sort of kindness. [/quote'] Empathy means the ability to see and/or feel someone elses point of view. It's not specifically associated with kindness, for instance politicians use it for the manipulation of voters.
Bettina Posted July 6, 2005 Author Posted July 6, 2005 Empathy means the ability to see and/or feel someone elses point of view. It's not specifically associated with kindness, for instance politicians use it for the manipulation of voters. I'm not sure POV is the correct definition. True empathy is more the ablility to understand or "feel" another persons feelings.....at least to me. Before you go hunting down the unidentified sensations you are perceiving from the seniors…could you give me a clearer picture of the sorts of sensations that you can identify normally. Like for me' date=' the word “Empathy” signifies a sort of kindness. Very unlike…say…. Anger and rage. it can be detected in others…but I would hardly call that empathy. I mean when a dog gets down low bears its fangs and starts to growl…you don’t need any street sign to tell you friendship is not on it’s mind. So too with sadness,. So can you describe in words a specific example of the sorts of sensations you get from particular people? I cant think of any other way to try and identify what exactly it is that you are experiencing.[/quote'] Yes and no. The reason I made this thread is to try to get help from other people like me so I can understand it myself. I need to know what other people like me feel or sense. Its very hard to explain without sounding like a Stephen King novel or drama queen but first, you have to understand what a rush or sense is. Lets say you are in a room and the temperature is increasing. For awhile, you are ok, but a point will be reached where the sensation of being warm becomes evident. In an instant, your body reacts with a "wave" sensation that starts at the upper body and moves all the way down. Sometimes it remains in the core. Thats a type of sensation. This is the other type that most people don't get. The bee, for example was the first time I ever got a sensation that scared me this bad. As I watched that bee, I felt a "wave" come over me very unlike what I explained above. At first, I actually "saw" myself getting smaller in front of me and moving toward the object I was viewing as if I was a third person viewing all of it. Then I become the person in the middle closing in on the bee until finally I'm inside. Being in that bee wasn't a good place to be. The feeling was trance like, but I was in and I felt that bee. I saw a wall of glass on both sides of me as clear as day, and I felt the heat. That is the scariest part, looking out thru the objects own eyes or POV as atinymonkey says. This "trance" doesn't last long, a few seconds at most, and when its done, your back outside in a second. Depending on the severity of the objects problem determines if your going to feel bad, take action (like I did with the bee) or spend time over the sink throwing up ending curled up on your bed for hours. I've been getting worse over the years, but I think its because I am seeing "more worser" things than when I was little. So when someone like me is drawn into a person, he/she can sense what they sense and feel what they feel. Mentally all the time, physically some of the time. Oh...and we don't bend spoons, talk to the dead, or cure people like some say they do. Whose coming with me to the asylum... Bettina
Phi for All Posted July 6, 2005 Posted July 6, 2005 Oh...and we don't bend spoons, talk to the dead, or cure people like some say they do.Bummer. Have you checked out any of the info on indigo children? Most are described as being a bit younger than you, but there's always a transitional phase, right? They are characterized by extreme sensitivity. There might be something of interest to you there.
reverse Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 So are you saying that you don’t get an "empathic read" with each and every person you meet…because I sort of do. On the other hand I do not find myself transported out of my sense of self on any occasion except during the vary rare lucid dream.
HonorableOne Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 I wouldn't go to a asylum with you Bettina. Thanks for the offer anyways.
-Demosthenes- Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 One could say that the things Bettina has described really can't be disproven, they seem ridiculously hard to test or design an experiment around. One could venture to say that the human mind is capable of many things yet undiscovered (or discovered by a few and unknown to the public). One can say that this cannot be disproven. Me? I'll go with skeptical.
reverse Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 Me? I'll go with skeptical. I find that hard to believe.
HonorableOne Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 Young girls who act frightened of sentences they hear from others grow up to be scared older women who shrink back from even the friendliest people in public. I do not consider a wise older woman one who boxes themselves into their mind, but one who shares their joy of life and knowledge of how to live the healthy life with close friends and strangers alike. Any young person taking the road of protection from fear or worrying about what is said about you after your death has avoided the healing road of life and drags others off this road. Empathic is not merely feeling others feelings, it is responding to them in a comforting and helpful way. If nothing else, a reaction of comfort and kindness helps the self, but this takes an ability to remember what and how a sentence in the mind softly speaks. A person who thinks they are sensitive and reacts with frustration and fear when they hear a sentence in the mind from a source not them is being taught to slow down and take the the time to relate to people. Not believing some gifted people can hear sentences from departed people is to deny original thinkers of the past thought and spoke words worth hearing again and again throughout the ages. It is to deny that spoken wisdom is flesh and a gift from generation to generation whether it is repeated aloud or not. A fearful or angry person has less chance of hearing the wisdom of sages in their mind, much less speaking original wisdom, than an elephant has of going through the eye of a needle. nice website phi http://www.metagifted.org/topics/metagifted/indigo/
Bettina Posted July 7, 2005 Author Posted July 7, 2005 One could say that the things Bettina has described really can't be disproven' date=' they seem ridiculously hard to test or design an experiment around. One could venture to say that the human mind is capable of many things yet undiscovered (or discovered by a few and unknown to the public). One can say that this cannot be disproven. Me? I'll go with skeptical.[/quote'] The beginning of wisdom is found in doubting; by doubting we come to the question, and by seeking we may come upon the truth....Pierre Abelard I don't think you were calling me a liar....more like you don't believe in the process that takes place without evidence. If you were in my shoes, you would think differently, you would have been frightened, and you would have kept it a secret for most of your life. Then one day, you would find a forum like this one and take a chance at getting help. A place where the words "physic" and "telepath" weren't used in every sentence like the dozens of places I've tried before. I know what I feel, but trying to stop it is impossible.....so far. I do know where your coming from though.... Bettina
Bettina Posted July 7, 2005 Author Posted July 7, 2005 Young girls who act frightened of sentences they hear from othersgrow up to be scared older women who shrink back from even the friendliest people in public. I do not consider a wise older woman one who boxes themselves into their mind' date=' but one who shares their joy of life and knowledge of how to live the healthy life with close friends and strangers alike. Any young person taking the road of protection from fear [u']or worrying about what is said about you after your death has avoided the healing road of life and drags others off this road. Empathic is not merely feeling others feelings, it is responding to them in a comforting and helpful way. If nothing else, a reaction of comfort and kindness helps the self, but this takes an ability to remember what and how a sentence in the mind softly speaks. A person who thinks they are sensitive and reacts with frustration and fear when they hear a sentence in the mind from a source not them is being taught to slow down and take the the time to relate to people. Not believing some gifted people can hear sentences from departed people is to deny original thinkers of the past thought and spoke words worth hearing again and again throughout the ages. It is to deny that spoken wisdom is flesh and a gift from generation to generation whether it is repeated aloud or not. A fearful or angry person has less chance of hearing the wisdom of sages in their mind, much less speaking original wisdom, than an elephant has of going through the eye of a needle. nice website phi http://www.metagifted.org/topics/metagifted/indigo/ Thanks Phi for that link too.....but if I am an indigo girl it is only about 2%. Most of what I read doesn't fit me. I am not violent or angry or most of the other things mentioned. But thanks for giving me data. And Honorable One.....Thats just a passage from somewhere. I don't talk to people from the past or gaze into a crystal ball. The bee thing is the best I can describe so far of what the feeling is like only I forgot to add that I can hear my heart beating fast and breathing quicker... One thing the physco doc mentioned was that if a person stares at something long enough he can become tranced and that I should learn to break that trance by looking away. Well....so far I'm not fast enough. I think this doctor is heading to the same asylum I'm going to. Bettina
Phi for All Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 Thanks Phi for that link too.....but if I am an indigo girl it is only about 2%. Most of what I read doesn't fit me. I am not violent or angry or most of the other things mentioned.Indigo children are usually violent or angry early in life, because they have no learned mechanisms for dealing with their over-average sensitivity. Sensory stimuli can be overpowering to them and they lash out because no one seems to know why they are not processing things normally. Were you frustrated or angry when you were 3-6 years old?
reverse Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 I’m all for giving you the benefit of the doubt momentarily, and applying the scientific method around your sensations, in first trying to categorise and isolate the sensations and situations… then running that data against know phenomena for an explanation.
Bettina Posted July 7, 2005 Author Posted July 7, 2005 Indigo children are usually violent or angry early in life' date=' because they have no learned mechanisms for dealing with their over-average sensitivity. Sensory stimuli can be overpowering to them and they lash out because no one seems to know why they are not processing things normally. Were you frustrated or angry when you were 3-6 years old?[/quote'] Nope. I was a quiet type that liked to be alone. I still am that way. I played with other kids though, dolls, coloring, etc, but I really liked being by myself. I did have a lot of nightmares and I remember it was my dad who always came running in...never my mom. Then around 7 or 8 I began to sense things that I didn't understand. I’m all for giving you the benefit of the doubt momentarily' date='and applying the scientific method around your sensations, in first trying to categorise and isolate the sensations and situations… then running that data against know phenomena for an explanation.[/quote'] Thank you . I'm not asking for anything except suggestions or data so I can find a way to stop it. This is NOT a gift like others say. It makes me sick. The Doctor and the medications do nothing for me and soon I'm gonna say goodbye. Bettina
Phi for All Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 It makes me sick. The Doctor and the medications do nothing for me and soon I'm gonna say goodbye[/b']. Please explain this. Quickly.
Bettina Posted July 7, 2005 Author Posted July 7, 2005 Please explain this. Quickly. Your such a good person ......I meant that I'm going to tell my physco doctor that I don't want to see him anymore. Him or his meds. I will find out myself what is wrong with me. Bettina......
reverse Posted July 8, 2005 Posted July 8, 2005 no reason to do that. the more directions you try and solve a question from the more quickly you bail it up against a wall. where is the doctor at as far as reaching a conclusion so far?
Bettina Posted July 9, 2005 Author Posted July 9, 2005 no reason to do that. the more directions you try and solve a question from the more quickly you bail it up against a wall. where is the doctor at as far as reaching a conclusion so far? No. The more I am into it, the more I believe Psychiatry is a farce. All he does is ask me questions to get me to talk a lot. He asks questions that have like 2 to 7 words which require me to answer in 50 words and then just stares at me while I talk. He talks very little. He is always looking at his watch too. Bettina
YT2095 Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 He talks very little. He is always looking at his watch too. Bettina that`ll be the Dollar signs popping up in his head
reverse Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 No. The more I am into it' date=' the more I believe Psychiatry is a farce. All he does is ask me questions to get me to talk a lot. He asks questions that have like 2 to 7 words which require me to answer in 50 words and then just stares at me while I talk. He talks very little. He is always looking at his watch too. Bettina[/quote'] Lol. The watch part made me laugh. Remember that the Dr must listen to many hours of chat in that same room. Personally, I am intrigued by your interest in the topic of resonant emotive content…(for want of a better title). The recent swell of such” sixth sense” type of programmes on television would naturally bring about a similar level interest in the public at large. I’m thinking of “medium” “charmed” “star wars and the force” “sea of souls” the list goes on. As for the medication, I would be loathed to suggest that you stop taking anything suggested by a medical specialist. Just as I would be cringing if a person who had a broken leg insisted on removing a cast on the grounds that the leg would heal itself…sure it will…but the cast helps it heal better. What would happen if you suggested to your doctor that the “watch watching” seems rude and that the question to answer ratio seem unfair. Start with the question… “do you mind if I ask you some questions this session?”
reverse Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 Have dug up this history of psychiatry for you. Please remember that all sciences started out really badly….physics started out as earth wind and fire, sort of elementalism…and the study of the mind also had it’s rude beginnings. Much progress has been made in both fields. see http://www.usyd.edu.au/su/hps/course2003/3010.html
Nicholas Posted July 10, 2005 Posted July 10, 2005 Bettina, you saw reality when you were a young child. You saw people for what they were and people don't like that The problem is your solution to get close to people was wrong. Its OK, essential to see the world for what it is. But don't get close to it. There is a nature inside them that wants to make a home in you. And it aint good Bettina. So your empathy virtue isn't bad you just need to know how to deal with people right. Everybody does but few will. "The path to the kingdom is narrow and few are those that find it." Talk to me about it.
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