burger97979 Posted May 3, 2015 Posted May 3, 2015 Tons of people have said that black holes completely defy physics and reroute what we have discovered as humans over physical science. Some people even state that black holes don't really exist, except that they do. People tend to think that a black hole is a point of infinite gravity, therefore creating the theory of no physics. That isn't the correct answer..... I've done math and came to the conclusion of a black hole not having infinite mass but rather something completely different. When sucked into a black hole, everything is rotating meaning that you will be going in circles around a defined point, but you will be going millions of light years per second meaning you exceed terminal velocity (by a lot), launching you back outwards, except that the gravitational pull of the black hole is pulling you straight back in, but the problem lies there, if the black hole were to have an infinite gravitational pull, then you would be pulled into a point where you completely cease from existence, or you will be turned from a human to what I call "negative-infinity", if the gravity is pulling you infinitely (or indefinitely) then you will keep being pulled until said "infinity" is reached, which you will never reach because it is infinity (an endless variable), meaning you will be pulled into negative infinity. I call this negative-infinity because you will be shrunk and pulled smaller towards a point, thus decreasing your mass, distance and time to reach that point. You can call it infinity if you want. My theory is that in a black hole, you will be pulled until you reach a specific point (which might be tremendously large), but you will never reach as you are always going to be pulled out and in again due to terminal velocity, going in an orbital path near the center of the black hole. People believe that black holes have infinite statistics due to them having the ability to swallow planets, matter, and even gravity itself... However, this does not mean that the statistics of the black hole is infinite, it might mean that the black hole can just contain a lot of storage. I got asked this question: "Well the black hole is only so big, and none of them ever overflow or explode from swallowing stuff, how can something swallow things larger than itself?" Well, the answer is relatively simple. A spoonful of a neutron star would weigh over 40 billion tons due to its extreme density, the same effect could be applied onto the gravitational pull of a black hole, the density, mass, and storage could be a lot different than what it may seem. When you look at a black hole, you would not see it. You would see it bend our perspective of objects behind it, such as looking through a concave or other shaped lense, it is see through. The only reason we theorize it being black is because light cannot escape the pull of the black hole, thus making no light bounce back to us, making it a black spot that contains no characteristics of anything (reflectivity, texture, etc.), but this is wrong. Light not bouncing back to our eyes does not mean "black", it means that we cannot see it, when you stand in a dark room, you cannot see an orange chair due to the absence of light. Sure you can see the blackness in the room but you cannot see the orange chair because no light is bouncing back to show you that the chair is there. Same applies with black holes, no light is escaping to your eyes so you cannot see it there. Since it bends gravity, it bends space-time, distorting our perception of the space around and behind it, possibly even in front of it. Not seeing a black hole brings us back to our question; "Well the black hole is only so big, and none of them ever overflow or explode from swallowing stuff, how can something so small swallow things larger than itself?" The answer is that since you cannot see a black hole, you can only estimate how large it is by the amount of distortion. Also, the black hole continuously gets larger as it travels due to it's consumption of matter and gravity, it grows. This means that since you can only estimate the size, and since it grows, you can see how the black hole consumes things larger than its size. This brings us back to the false theory that i believe everyone has been fooled by: "Black holes have an infinite gravitational pull" They do not, they keep growing and growing and that's how they can fit a technically infinite amount of anything inside of them, because they grow and consume at the same exact rate, everything they consume makes them bigger, yet takes up a continuously growing space inside of them. They continue to pull and push the same gravity out (due to terminal velocity, yes it applies to gravity as well), meaning that they don't receive or "pull" infinite gravity, they just recycle gravity. Hope this is right, I worked hard to research and all!
ajb Posted May 3, 2015 Posted May 3, 2015 Tons of people have said that black holes completely defy physics... Do they? People tend to think that a black hole is a point of infinite gravity, therefore creating the theory of no physics. Not really, a black hole is usually understood in terms, well a black hole solution such as the Schwarzschild or one of it relatives. What black hole solutions share is that they exhibit curvature singularities and that these are hidden behind an even horizon, with the exception of the extreme Kerr solution which has a naked singularity, which is probably unphysical. I've done math and came to the conclusion of a black hole not having infinite mass but rather something completely different. Black holes were never said to have infinite mass. People believe that black holes have infinite statistics... What do you mean by infinite statistics? Are you referring to black hole entropy and how this is given by the surface area of the event horizon? "Black holes have an infinite gravitational pull" Has anyone (who knows some physics) ever actually said that? The closest I can think of to this would be as you approach the classical singularity in black hole. The problem is that as you get closer we expect that general relativity will no longer be a good theory and quantum effects of space-time will come into play. These effects may well regulate these singularities and we see that everything is actually finite. However, without a proper working model it is hard to be more specific. 2
imatfaal Posted May 3, 2015 Posted May 3, 2015 ! Moderator Note moved to Speculations. take a moment to read the rules of that forum
swansont Posted May 3, 2015 Posted May 3, 2015 ! Moderator Note Also take a peek at the guidelines for participating in a discussion in Speculations. The part where you need to have a good grasp of the science you are critiquing is currently a shortcoming.
Sensei Posted May 3, 2015 Posted May 3, 2015 Tons of people have said that black holes completely defy physics and reroute what we have discovered as humans over physical science. Some people even state that black holes don't really exist, except that they do. People tend to think that a black hole is a point of infinite gravity, therefore creating the theory of no physics. That isn't the correct answer..... Your misunderstanding what scientists hypothesize about black holes, is astonishing.. I've done math and came to the conclusion of a black hole not having infinite mass but rather something completely different. Would not be easier to ask on any science forum.. ? 1
Strange Posted May 3, 2015 Posted May 3, 2015 Tons of people have said that black holes completely defy physics Citation needed. People tend to think that a black hole is a point of infinite gravity, therefore creating the theory of no physics. Citation needed. I've done math and came to the conclusion of a black hole not having infinite mass but rather something completely different. Then why haven't you shown the math? but you will be going millions of light years per second Please show the math that supports this claim. My theory is that in a black hole, you will be pulled until you reach a specific point (which might be tremendously large), but you will never reach as you are always going to be pulled out and in again due to terminal velocity, going in an orbital path near the center of the black hole. Please show the math that supports this claim. People believe that black holes have infinite statistics due to them having the ability to swallow planets, matter, and even gravity itself... What does "infinite statistics" mean? And please provide a reference to someone saying that black holes have "infinite statistics". Since it bends gravity, it bends space-time Gravity is the bending of space-time so I don't understand what you are saying here. "Black holes have an infinite gravitational pull" Citation needed. Hope this is right, I worked hard to research and all! It sounds very confused and largely incorrect. And completely unsupported by evidence or mathematics.
swansont Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 ! Moderator Note Someone else's conjecture has been split into a new thread. Just a reminder, please don't hijack discussions to talk about what you want to talk about, and bringing up your pet theory is a hijack. http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/88846-black-holes-split-from-black-holes-and-statistics/
burger97979 Posted May 31, 2015 Author Posted May 31, 2015 The butthurtiness in the replies give me aches
ajb Posted May 31, 2015 Posted May 31, 2015 The butthurtiness in the replies give me aches Okay, but can you try to address some of my questions or is this thread now dead?
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