cold_calculation Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I’m a computer scientist and mathematician. Over the last few years I’ve been applying these developing skills to attack problems in physics. My research adviser and collaborator, Christian Corda of Italy, is a world renowned, award winning physicist and has contributed almost 200 scientific articles. He is an honest, hardworking, family man. He is being threatened by an international group of physicists with connections to new synthetic fuel and nuclear energy tech. For example, see here: http://www.scientificethics.org/denunciation-christian-corda.htm. Additional madness against other scientific individuals and organizations located here: http://scientificethics.org/ This is a dangerous situation that requires exposure, investigation, and facts. If this catches your eye, then see for yourself what is happening. A few Google searches will yield all kinds of data on this. Also, some other related links are here. ---Prof. Christian Corda publication list: http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Christian_Corda ---Forum argument between Christian and others: http://www.pepijnvanerp.nl/articles/finding-jerdsey-v-kadeisvili-or-mailing-with-ruggero-m-santilli/ ---Santilli foundation: http://www.santilli-foundation.org/ ---Santilli’s thunder fusion/energy corp: http://www.thunder-fusion.com/ ---Santilli’s MagneGas corp: http://magnegas.com/ ---MagneGas fox news video: ---MagneGas stability test video: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unity+ Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 This is why I hate when politics get involved in science... I don't know if the allegations are true or not and I am not going to assume anything at the moment. However, the "MagneGas" seems to be legitimate, but I don't know if it is or not. Why isn't it being advertised or even investigated further? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cold_calculation Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) yes, i agree. this entire situation is beyond madness. much of it completely disregards the scientific method and involves weird special interests that do not interest me. it is near impossible to determine which individuals and groups are at play, who is who, etc. there is much deception, twisting of words, conspiracy theories, and threats going on here. we have much important scientific work to do, and this needs to stop and be resolved asap. one thing i do know is that Prof. Christian Corda does not deserve this. by exposing this for investigation, hopefully that facts can be revealed. concerning the tech, i'm still not entirely sure. from my research so far, my current understanding is that the "MagneGas fuel tech" and "intermediate controlled nuclear synthesis (fusion) tech" are legitimate, which both have patents and industrial applications. this group of physicists have two major theories that they are working on. 1) this technology is based on the so-called theory of "hadronic mechanics", which has been verified in the laboratory to some extent. 2) the so-called "iso-gravitation and cosmology" theory, which has evidently has not been experimentally verified and/or is based on serious misconceptions. i guess they do some advertising, much of it online which can be found on google, but they're having difficulty getting it out onto the US market. evidently, many of the individuals related to these theories and tech are making these ridiculous claims and threats. but again, all of this should be subjected to investigation. Edited June 8, 2015 by cold_calculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unity+ Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) yes, i agree. this entire situation is beyond madness. much of it completely disregards the scientific method and involves weird special interests that do not interest me. it is near impossible to determine which individuals and groups are at play, who is who, etc. there is much deception, twisting of words, conspiracy theories, and threats going on here. we have much important scientific work to do, and this needs to stop and be resolved asap. one thing i do know is that Prof. Christian Corda does not deserve this. by exposing this for investigation, hopefully that facts can be revealed. concerning the tech, i'm still not entirely sure. from my research so far, my current understanding is that the "MagneGas fuel tech" and "intermediate controlled nuclear synthesis (fusion) tech" are legitimate, which both have patents and industrial applications. this group of physicists have two major theories that they are working on. 1) this technology is based on the so-called theory of "hadronic mechanics", which has been verified in the laboratory to some extent. 2) the so-called "iso-gravitation and cosmology" theory, which has evidently has not been experimentally verified and/or is based on serious misconceptions. i guess they do some advertising, much of it online which can be found on google, but they're having difficulty getting it out onto the US market. evidently, many of the individuals related to these theories and tech are making these ridiculous claims and threats. but again, all of this should be subjected to investigation. Something can have a patent and not work, I think. I think some of Tesla's patents are examples. However, correct me if I am wrong. Edited June 8, 2015 by Unity+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Santilli is a well known crackpot. Why would anyone care about being attacked by him. Ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unity+ Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Santilli is a well known crackpot. Why would anyone care about being attacked by him. Ignore it. Well, that makes things a bit more clear. I was about to do my research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cold_calculation Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 Something can have a patent and not work, I think. I think some of Tesla's patents are examples. However, correct me if I am wrong. i'm not sure. but these attacks against Christian Corda need to stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 i'm not sure. but these attacks against Christian Corda need to stop No one is going to take them seriously so I really wouldn't worry about it. People will either laugh at Santilli's ludicrous antics or they will see that it makes him look even less credible. Or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cold_calculation Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 Santilli is a well known crackpot. Why would anyone care about being attacked by him. Ignore it. ignoring this may work... but unfortunately, my guess is that this case, just ignoring this wont make the problem go away. it needs to be stopped so serious scientific progress can be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 ignoring this may work... but unfortunately, my guess is that this case, just ignoring this wont make the problem go away. it needs to be stopped so serious scientific progress can be made. No one is stopping serious scientific progress. Certainly not Santilli. I find it worrying that someone involved in real science cares about the existence of people like Santilli. And even more so that you think it is worth posting on a forum about it. Few people here are in any position to do anything about it either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cold_calculation Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) No one is stopping serious scientific progress. Certainly not Santilli. I find it worrying that someone involved in real science cares about the existence of people like Santilli. And even more so that you think it is worth posting on a forum about it. Few people here are in any position to do anything about it either way. i also find it worrying that someone involved in real science is willing to make conjectures and claims based on preconceptions and opinions without investigating the data and evidence for themselves to deduce usable, reliable facts. i'm simply proposing an investigation to expose fact from fiction and raise awareness to the issue. nothing more. such threats against a fellow scientist should surely be subjected to investigation and taken seriously. if you wish to passively sit there and make such conjectures, then so be it. but myself and other collaborators intend to be stop this, and exposing this is merely one strategy of doing so. Edited June 8, 2015 by cold_calculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sato Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 It's interesting that one of them (Santilli) has his own Institute for Basic Research, and the other (Corda) runs his International Institute for Theoretical Physics and Mathematics, or IFM. From what I've read, Santilli is fringe, most of his proposals are unverified, but he has developed some technology in application to industrial welding under Magnegas. He also has a bone to pick with one of his colleagues from his Harvard days in the 80's, who apparently shunned Santilli's trying to disprove relativity, and pushed him out. This might be the root of his cranky views. Corda seems to be reputable in his publications, but I think it's a bit odd that he certifies himself as a full professor at his own institute. There's also a list of proposed scientific advisors on the IFM's website, which actually includes Santilli. In fact, Santilli's institute is listed as a founding organization of the IFM. I'm not familiar with any of the others on the list, but it seems that the IFM isn't affiliated with any particularly reputable academic institution or university, even in Italy. Not that this says anything to the credibility of Corda, but it is often reassuring when someone has the checks and balances of other colleagues in their field, especially if they're on the fringe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Corda Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 It's interesting that one of them (Santilli) has his own Institute for Basic Research, and the other (Corda) runs his International Institute for Theoretical Physics and Mathematics, or IFM. From what I've read, Santilli is fringe, most of his proposals are unverified, but he has developed some technology in application to industrial welding under Magnegas. He also has a bone to pick with one of his colleagues from his Harvard days in the 80's, who apparently shunned Santilli's trying to disprove relativity, and pushed him out. This might be the root of his cranky views. Corda seems to be reputable in his publications, but I think it's a bit odd that he certifies himself as a full professor at his own institute. There's also a list of proposed scientific advisors on the IFM's website, which actually includes Santilli. In fact, Santilli's institute is listed as a founding organization of the IFM. I'm not familiar with any of the others on the list, but it seems that the IFM isn't affiliated with any particularly reputable academic institution or university, even in Italy. Not that this says anything to the credibility of Corda, but it is often reassuring when someone has the checks and balances of other colleagues in their field, especially if they're on the fringe. Actually, I do not certify myself as professor at my own institute. In Italy, certification for University Professorship is released by the Italian Department for University and Research (MIUR), and I obtained by MIUR regular qualification for University Professorship in Astrophysics and Theoretical Physics. I exercise both of them at the Scuola Superiore Internazionale di Studi Universitari e di Ricerca Santa Rita (IURS), which is a private research centre recognized by MIUR, see http://www.unisrita.it/index.html. IFM is an old organization which is going to be closed or incorporated with IURS. In any case, the connection with Santilli will be deleted in the IFM website asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imatfaal Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 ! Moderator Note This is not Science News. And whilst we welcome cold_calculation and Christian Corda to the forum we do not wish to get involved in a personal battle via a discussion about scientific ethics. This is an area in which some individuals have made claims which fail to be replicated when tested by supposedly objective third parties - an insistence that "my" experiments are well run, "yours" are misguided, and "his" are illegitimate has lead to some very bad blood which we do not want to see continued here. I am going to lock this thread (pending staff discussion) as I believe it has the potential to turn away from a scientific discussion and towards argumentum ad hominem. But please feel free to open threads in Ethics - if you wish to discuss in an impersonal manner the danger of personal animosity holding back scientific progress; or a thread in Physics a/o Speculations to discuss the actual science. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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