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I remember reading a article in popular mechanics some time ago of some research and development in future medicine.

 

-bacteria or viruses to fight cancer

-Target drug delivery

-nanobots bring chemotherapy drugs to the cancer target or performed surgery operation on clog arteries or heart surgery and other applications like fighting infectious disease so on.

-lasers to fight cancer

-lots of strong heat to fight cancer

 

I remember reading some of this in popular mechanics but there not much info out there other than very advance information for medical students or doctors.

 

I think nanobots hit wall, that It is true in the lab they have build small nanobots today. But the main problem holding this technology back is how do you get the nanobots to go to the area of the body you want it to go, get it to work and so there is no immune response or harm to the body

 

Some talk of using magnets to get it to go to the area of the body you want.

 

I think some of this technology they where saying was 5 to 10 years out.

 

Other technology 5 to 10 years out.

 

Handheld ultrasound scanner

Handheld x-ray scanner

 

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Actually the selection is a bit odd as it mixes things that already exist with things that are still in development. Phage therapy has been proposed as treatment of bacterial infections, though their use for cancer treatment is not as advanced. Ten years would be a very optimistic view (IMO). Targeted drug delivery is partially there for certain areas but typically not at the desired "breakthrough"-specificity.

Nanobots are even more sci-fiy, as mentioned.

 

Lasers and various means of heat treatment are already in use for tumors and cancers, for example. Handheld ultrasound scanner can be bought, they are not that expensive, anymore. Same about handheld x-ray scanners (for quite a long time, depending on the definition of handheld), though they tend to be on the bulky side. The latter typically not used for medical purposes, though.

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When do you think we are going start to see colored x-rays and colored ultrasound scanners? Do you think Nanobots and 3D printed organs is 15 years out or more like 50 years out?

 

When will medical walk in centers and the family doctor's office going to have x-ray and ultrasound in the office with out sending you off to other building and done by other doctor to than send it back?

 

Even in ER they send you to room in the ER where other doctor does it than send it back to the ER doctor wasting time.

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..When will medical walk in centers and the family doctor's office going to have x-ray and ultrasound in the office with out sending you off to other building and done by other doctor to than send it back?

 

Even in ER they send you to room in the ER where other doctor does it than send it back to the ER doctor wasting time.

All the jobs you mention require specialised qualifications that take several years to acquire, so it's a bit much to expect one doctor to hold them all

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When do you think we are going start to see colored x-rays and colored ultrasound scanners?

 

Never. Xrays are way shorter than visible light. While you can use false colours the idea of using it for colour imaging is meaningless. Same goes for ultrasound, they are sound pressure waves. I have no idea why you want to render it in colour. They are getting better for 3D imaging, though.

 

 

Do you think Nanobots and 3D printed organs is 15 years out or more like 50 years out?

 

For nanobots there is no real concept (unless very simple structures that have been termed nanobots, but they are often not what the popular lit. describes as such. With 3D printed organs, again, it depends on what target organ you are thinking of and how big the involvement of 3D printing is. A complete functional organ such as the heart completely 3D printed is easily way more than 50 years away. A simple 3D structure with little internal complexity such as outer ear (basically 3D printed scaffold seeded with cells) could be within 15. The rest is anyone's guess.

 

 

When will medical walk in centers and the family doctor's office going to have x-ray and ultrasound in the office with out sending you off to other building and done by other doctor to than send it back?

 

There are plenty of those around. Usually specialists but also larger joint practices have at least x-ray but often also ultrasound (especially gynecologists) around. It is not that common for family doctors, but then you have to keep in mind that they are often there to send you to the right specialist.

 

When you talk about different rooms, it is about efficiency. It does make sense to have a dedicated X-ray room that can be used by everyone rather than buying multiple instruments that are only being used for a few minutes at a time.

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For nanobots there is no real concept (unless very simple structures that have been termed nanobots, but they are often not what the popular lit. describes as such.

 

I don't know much about nanotechnology other than some articles in popular mechanics magazine some time ago I read of nanotechnology used for many things like.

 

-small nanobots to clean up oil spills and chemical waste

-nanobots to bring chemotherapy drugs to the cancer target or performed surgery operation on clog arteries or heart surgery and other applications like fighting infectious disease so on.

-batteries using nanomaterials can hold lots more power and recharged significantly faster than conventional batteries

 

I know they have built small nanobots in the lab!! The problems not sure what it holding it back may be building hundreds or thousands of nanobots that is needed to clean up oil spills , chemical waste or use in medine is reason for the slow down.

 

In the articles they did say problems like getting the nanobots to go to the area of the body you want it to go!! Talk about may be using magnets to drive it!! Other articles they did say problems like immune response or harm to the body need to be tested and worked out and nanobots to go to the area of the body you want it to go and do want you want it to do.

 

I assume they are doing this research and development and testing on mice and other rodents before moving to people.

 

 

I'm not sure how much progress they made in past 10 years or so.

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I know they have built small nanobots in the lab!! The problems not sure what it holding it back may be building hundreds or thousands of nanobots that is needed to clean up oil spills , chemical waste or use in medine is reason for the slow down.

 

If you envision small automatons in the nm scale, they do not exist. Complex nanoparticles, however, are sometimes referred to as nanobots. Mostly because it sounds more advanced.

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If you envision small automatons in the nm scale, they do not exist. Complex nanoparticles, however, are sometimes referred to as nanobots. Mostly because it sounds more advanced.

 

I think it was a nanoparticles.

 

Yea they called nanoparticles they look more like particles with drugs inclosed.

 

Unfortunately nanobots that look like http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/427/2044/1600/Nanobots.0.jpg

 

Like robot or machine is harder to do.

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In fact, pretty much impossible. Although some advances have made the fabrication of movable parts possible. For nanoparticles much more info is available. However, most is based on in vitron analyses and it is not clear if the performance is the same in vivo. Plus there are some unknowns with regards to toxicity of these materials. So while the research is accelerating, there are still things to figure out. At least as additives the use could be already quite advanced (considering that nanomaterials have been in household products for quite a while for non-medical use) but the high-end stuff (highly specific drug delivery) is still a bit out

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In fact, pretty much impossible. Although some advances have made the fabrication of movable parts possible. For nanoparticles much more info is available. However, most is based on in vitron analyses and it is not clear if the performance is the same in vivo. Plus there are some unknowns with regards to toxicity of these materials. So while the research is accelerating, there are still things to figure out. At least as additives the use could be already quite advanced (considering that nanomaterials have been in household products for quite a while for non-medical use) but the high-end stuff (highly specific drug delivery) is still a bit out

 

 

I think this was the artical I read not sure.

 

Nanodrug Swarms Use The Human Body's Biocommunications System to Coordinate Their Attack

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-06/nanoparticle-teams-communicate-inside-body-target-tumors

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When do you think we are going start to see colored x-rays and colored ultrasound scanners? Do you think Nanobots and 3D printed organs is 15 years out or more like 50 years out?

 

The pace at which development and research is moving especially in medicine is fast. Talk of colored x-rays or colored ultrasound scanners 10 years a very realistic dating for it

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A lot of research, reading and cross-referencing led me to some interesting articles about upcoming relevant medicine advancements, and nano-technology ranked at the top of the lists. Here are additional medicine technologies that are mentioned in the article: http://listverse.com/2013/03/22/10-medical-technologies-that-could-shape-the-future/. These research and developments amaze me. The pace with which medicine invention is increasing is getting faster and faster. Even more, if we check out the criteria for doctor jobs we find research to be more and more sought after. I assume they are doing this research and testing on animals/rodents first. How would that work with nanobots?

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When will medical walk in centers and the family doctor's office going to have x-ray and ultrasound in the office with out sending you off to other building and done by other doctor to than send it back?

 

My healthcare system is hideously expensive, but this process helps cut costs. It's more economical to have one place where they do the scanning, where everyone with those needs goes to save having to make every doctor buy and fit the equipment in their offices.

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A lot of research, reading and cross-referencing led me to some interesting articles about upcoming relevant medicine advancements, and nano-technology ranked at the top of the lists. Here are additional medicine technologies that are mentioned in the article: http://listverse.com/2013/03/22/10-medical-technologies-that-could-shape-the-future/. These research and developments amaze me. The pace with which medicine invention is increasing is getting faster and faster. Even more, if we check out the criteria for doctor jobs we find research to be more and more sought after. I assume they are doing this research and testing on animals/rodents first. How would that work with nanobots?

 

The issue is that all of it (and it really depends on what you call a "bot" there are a lot of misconceptions here) are at best proof-of-concept level things. We can synthesize lots of particles and couple them to each other or load them with drugs. But little survives the first stages of validation. Of course we have to play around until we find something that works, but there is a huge and under appreciated gap between the concepts and clinical utility.

A handful of nanomedicines are in or have passed initial trials, but from a technical viewpoint it is not fundamentally different than using traditional drug development. Note that some were developed as early as the 90s (Doxil). As such, these developments are part of long research and development pipelines and while hypes exist we are not yet at a point where we have tools to fundamentally revolutionize medicine.

 

Technically,I think that we may be getting closer on the diagnostic side (as part of what is called "personalized" or "precision mediicine"). Treatments are still far more complicated, especially as in most cases we rely on the body to heal itself.

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A lot of research, reading and cross-referencing led me to some interesting articles about upcoming relevant medicine advancements, and nano-technology ranked at the top of the lists. Here are additional medicine technologies that are mentioned in the article: http://listverse.com/2013/03/22/10-medical-technologies-that-could-shape-the-future/. These research and developments amaze me. The pace with which medicine invention is increasing is getting faster and faster. Even more, if we check out the criteria for doctor jobs we find research to be more and more sought after. I assume they are doing this research and testing on animals/rodents first. How would that work with nanobots?

 

 

Unfortunately these are nanoparticles not nanobots or nanites in sense they are robot or machine shown in movies and TV shows.

 

These are crude nanoparticles where they learning how to drive the nanoparticles to site to release the payload. Use of magnets, UV light or laser to drive the nanoparticles to site to release the payload.

 

Step one make nanoparticles that the body does not attack

Step two how to drive the nanoparticles to the site.

Step three how to release the payload.

 

This is what they are doing research and development. When all three steps are solved what the best way than they can start moving to clinical trial.

 

But we will never make nano robot or nano machine shown in movies and TV shows to we learn how to make robot or AI on big scale. How can you make say a nano robot or nano machine shown in movies and TV s when we have really crude robots and AI that has intelligent has a rodent!! Not even a Dog or Cat!!! But a rodent.

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I agree nanoparticles may be more of a reality in the near future. For example the use of Titania-doped Nanoparticles as radio adjuvant. Or the use of gold particles to cross the blood brain barrier as means for drug delivery. These may be therapeutic mechanisms that could enter clinical trials soon.

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