nameta9 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 This thread is proposing the infinite-infinite universe where all conceivable possibilities exist within our infinite universe. This theory completely allows any contradiction within it's terms because that would be just another possibility (or combination) so a red planet exists and doesn't exist at the same time. Anyways the theory is COMPLETELY CONTRADICTORY and makes no attempt as to limit the contradictions. IF every conceivable idea, concept, matter, universe, planet etc. exists then there is no need for any explanations of anything since everything is just a given combination from the infinite amount of combinations. You need to explain something if there is only one possible path within a multitude, but in the infinite-infinite universe all the paths are simultaneously present including no paths and only a few (there goes the contradicton which is acceptable). This is somewhat an aesthetical view of the universe. The theory of the infinite-infinite universe is the theory where everything including all contradictions are present and acceptable. I also want to add that you must be careful as to what you are referring the infinite to. If you are referring to an infinite universe in space extension or time extension but within the physical laws of our universe as known so far, then all these weird possibilities (planet of elephants) are most likely not possible. But if you refer to an infinite universe in terms of "possibilities", "concepts", "laws of physics", "combinations" in other words an infinite universe in terms of all possible "concepts" conceivable, then you are no longer dealing with the realm of physics but metaphysics and philosophy and thus the infinite-infinite universe with all its acceptable contradictions. This is the ultimate theory. The grand unified of physics etc. because by accepting an infinite universe in all possible concepts like combinatorial, conceptual etc. (therefore not only in dimensions or time) you automatically get everything. Therefore for example the presence of life in one slice of the universe is brought about through the theory of evolution, in another it just pops out all done out of nowhere, because it is just another conceptual combination. Actually if you think of how many quirk chances have to be met for us humans here to communicate through the net using are traditional scientific explanations, this confirms the theory. There are just too many combination of elements and chemical reactions and evolutions of mankind to possibly be done in a few billion years. Why does our planet have just the right amount of metals and extractable just in the right combination for humans? How did humans even possibly develope science when we know that in primitive societies no one has any kind of individuality or inventiveness because peer pressure of the group is extremely high, so even science is a really long shot quirk chance. It is like trying to explain the appearance of a color TV on mars without the humans. But if you accept the infinite-infinite universe it is all explained as being just another combination. It is like trying to explain how a color TV evolved on mars from scratch. You could probably invent some insanely impobable combination of events that ultimately bring you your TV but it is less far out to just accept an infinite-infinite universe where it is all present. Explanations are just washed away by the shear number of combinations. Cause and effect is just one possible mechanism amongst an infinite combination of inventions of mechanisms. Sooner or later somewhere in our quest for the ultimate you will have to deal with contradictions. So this theory makes no attempt to avoid them but considers them an integral part since infinity contains all including contradictory elements. It is hard to graps but this is the ultimate last theory. All explanations are an aesthetical device. Amongst the infinite combination of universes there is a universe where being alive is the same as being dead etc. We are only in one particular combination where this is not true. In our local slice the laws of physics are operating. Of course there are all kinds of permutations and you can envision a slice that is half like our universe and half like one where alive and dead is the same etc. We can't grasp all the combinations and the contradictions, but if the universe is infinite conceptually, then the infinite-infinite universe is the final theory. What may be confusing is the word "infinite". I am referring to infinity "conceptually", that is every possible idea, implementation mechanism etc. along with infinite extension in space or time. But it is maybe better to imagine a universe of all possible "possibilities" or all possible "concepts" more then extensions. That is why the theory doesn't challenge any of our science, it is just a superset of universes with along all imaginable concepts. It is different from the parallel universe theories because they are somehow tied up with our physics, but this is a superset of all possible physics. I would say that it is more a philosophical and metaphysical idea and cannot be proved scientifically in any way I think. As an analogy it is like when they discovered the zero. No one noticed that there could be an entity that is zero. This is similar in that this theory proposes a kind of totally full set of every conceivable idea, possibility etc. It is even hard to explain exactly because it is infinite exactly in the "conceptual" sense. Cause and effect is just an aesthetical choice. Must engage in philosophical thought which is not practical. The set of all combinations has many contradictory implications and can be used to enhance our view of the limits of thought. If every combination is present, explanations have no sense because any event that has an aesthetical view of cause and effect is just a frozen combination just like a video dvd is a frozen combination of bits. So the set of all the combination of 40,000,000,000 bits (about 2^(10^11)) can contain all the possible films imaginable, so the set of all combinations of anything can be anything and contain anything. The events within a film don't really have a cause and effect but "aesthetically appear to" so within the FULL SET nothing needs explanations. OF course all contradictions reign...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 For the record, 2^(10^11) is a much larger number than the one you've stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameta9 Posted March 30, 2005 Author Share Posted March 30, 2005 What I wanted to say is for example a string of 10 bits has 2^10 combinations, so a dvd has 40 billion bits (by saying 4 billion bytes or 4 billion times 8 bits), so all the combinations of 40 billion bits is 2 to the 40 billion or about 2^(40x10^9) or 2^(10^11) APPROXIMATELY give and take an exponent since at this large number who cares anymore (it is really very large). If you could see each combination, each one is a different film. So the actions that take place in the film are just an illusion so there is no cause and effect just a given combination. It is like discovering the zero. No one ever thought of the FULL SET that contains all possible concepts conceivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 Okay, but the rest of the thread is rather perplexing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 This all sounds very familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameta9 Posted April 4, 2005 Author Share Posted April 4, 2005 Given no particular reply against this theory, then this theory is correct and proven. The infinite-infinite universe is the ultimate theory of everything that physics is looking for. You just have to relate infinity with the concept of contradictions and all is explained. The theory is true even if it is false because "infinite concepts" allows every mechanism and manipulation even the complete contradictory theory of existence sustained by non existence or opposites sustaining each other etc. The FULL SET is that set containing every conceivable concept and reasoning possible and impossible, creating an infinite universe not only in extension (time and space) but as number of concepts (computer planet made up of chips, green martians etc). Remember all contradictions reign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Given no particular reply against this theory, then this theory is correct and proven. That's not how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bascule Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Given no particular reply against this theory, then this theory is correct and proven. The infinite-infinite universe is the ultimate theory of everything that physics is looking for. No it's not, as we all know the world is carried on the back of the star turtle Great A'tuin. Can't prove it wrong? Then it must be right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth tater Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 So what is to discuss? Since anything is possible-even the impossible-what is there to talk about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameta9 Posted April 7, 2005 Author Share Posted April 7, 2005 That is what they said when the zero was invented. This is like the invention of zero because no one ever thought about the FULL SET containing every conceivable concept imaginable even its contrary and negation. This FULL SET is the only one that exists because even if it doesn't it does because all contradictions are completely acceptable. The relationship between infinity and contradictions is the ultimate theory of everything physics is looking for. This problem is thus solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bascule Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 This is like the invention of zero because no one ever thought about the FULL SET containing every conceivable concept imaginable even its contrary and negation. Actually you'll find stoners and psychedelic enthusiaists talk about that kind of thing all the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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