Hello, and Question on the game of Casino Craps.

[mrboxingfan]

Hello, My name is Mark, I am a math Major and Thomas Edison State College. I will be getting a B/S in Mathematics and an Mba in Real Estate. Possibly if there is time I will get a B/A in Philosophy. I am interested in the game of Casino Craps. There is a cult following out there that states that they can beat the game of craps and get a positive player edge with Influencing the dice the way they are thrown to eliminate or decrease the percentage of the 7 ratio. There is another school of thought that energy and vibe some how control and can at times manipulate a random game of chance. Since Dice have no memory unlike Card Counting in Blackjack. Craps is a negative expectation game where there isn't any real way one can get a positive long run edge at the game like you can in Poker or Blackjack. I believe this is false and the math that governs Craps is really finite, basic, and linear. It has not been challenged by the more post calculus abstract disciplines of math like Real Analysis, Fourier, Elliptic Curves, Time Series, Lie Groups, and Stochastics as well as Non Parametric Statistics and Differential Equations. I am interested in wondering from anyone here that if it is possible to find out if one can beat the game in the long run and get a nice player edge without Dice influencing and make money in the game using these more powerful, abstract form of Mathematics ? I believe it is possible. What do you guys think ?

 

I am also thinking the same about Three Card Poker.

 

Thanks

[fiveworlds]

You can make weighted dice

[Endy0816]

A few of the variants, possibly. More standard forms, probably not.

[imatfaal]

.. I am interested in wondering from anyone here that if it is possible to find out if one can beat the game in the long run and get a nice player edge without Dice influencing and make money in the game using these more powerful, abstract form of Mathematics ? I believe it is possible. What do you guys think ?

 

I am also thinking the same about Three Card Poker.

 

Thanks

 

Hello Mark and welcome to the forum.

 

First off - in the long run No. Because eventually the pit-bosses will learn/be taught the skewed betting patterns that must accompany a winning understanding of the rolling of the dice. Then you have to hope they just ask you to leave...

 

Secondly - I presume you have read the account of the MIT card counters; its fascinating.

 

Thirdly - Also great reading would be the stories of Edward O Thorp and later the Eudaemons.

 

On the maths side

 

I would hazard that whilst the problem is modelable you would suffer from a huge sensitivity to initial conditions that would render real world calculations impossible. The roulette computer was successful in that the timing was able to be taken after much of the problem area had been passed.

 

I have never played craps - but vague folk memory tells me you have to bounce the dice off the back wall; how can you possible account for this in your model? Even if this is an incorrect recollection the whole problem seems far too complicated.

 

But perhaps give a skeleton to your idea - ie what do you aim to change / measure in order to skew the odds

[mrboxingfan]

I believe there are Finite Trends that can be exploited for profit. Its only 2 through 36 rolls of the dice that can come up, there has to be some interval between them in the randon event. I believe its on the Dark side of the table in which is the 7 shoing before the point. but thats just me. I feel that it can be done through Fourier or Elliptic Curves. Regardless of the Rubber Bumper. As for the pit, they wont notice this for a long, long, time. If this works I will be wealthy by the time it is shown.

 

If this works then this is the beginning of beating Slot Machines.

[Phi for All]

As for the pit, they wont notice this for a long, long, time. If this works I will be wealthy by the time it is shown.

 

If you make enough for reconstructive knee surgery, you'll be farther along than everyone else who's made this claim.

[Prometheus]

... there has to be some interval between them in the randon event.

 

You have perfectly described the gambler's fallacy.