jeremyjr Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Many people assume that they will be able to identify a non human build artifact, but very likely they will be wrong. Assuming that shuch artifacts are real, their very existence will challenge many of our current ideas, any intelligent being capable of moving between stars by any means will have a level of technology that we really can't imagine, the shock will be greater than the one received by a human Neanderthal confronted by current technology. Many people use current human technology as a "guide" to imagine how an alien technology may look like, but that is a very narrow way of seeing things and automatically introduce preconceptions in the interpretation of possible "evidence". We had seen that preconceptions are blinders/filters for perception. That narrow minded approach is the one that had dominated Ufology, it is what some had called the "mechanicist expectation". We really can't have a clear idea of what we may encounter. But that kind of technology, if it really exist, it will manifest to our perception as "anomalies", occurences or objects that behaves in ways that appear to defy our current understanding of the world.
pzkpfw Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Yes and no. People will often see things they don't expect or they don't understand. To ignore possible mundane explanations and jump to the "what if it's an alien" conclusion - as you seems to be proposing - is a little bit silly. It's very clear, with your posting history, what you are trying to argue for. 2
jeremyjr Posted August 5, 2015 Author Posted August 5, 2015 The "mechanicist expectation" or view is really superficial and "weak" if you do some analysis, and the reasons for that have been given before: It is really almost impossible to "imagine" the kind of "technology", if we could use that word at all in this context, that intelligent beings capable of moving between the stars may have. These beings, if they exist at all, may be able to "alter reality", "change physical laws locally", they will be indistinguishable literally from gods. They will be able to "alter themselves at will", they will not need any vessel to move in empty space, etc. The "mechanicist expectation" always use our own level of technology to "imagine" what "they" may have and that is why you still see many Ufologists mentioning the "metallic" looking appearance of some "anomalies" as a way to stress their "mechanical" nature, but that view is already outdated because our more advanced airplanes do not use metals in many parts of the fuselage, composite materials may replace completely metals. So Ufologists are even "behind" of our own technology and that always will happen when you use that kind of "approach" as the "mechanicist" approach. -1
Strange Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) The "mechanicist expectation" always use our own level of technology to "imagine" what "they" may have ... That is irrelevant. This is a simple error that you and other ufologists frequently make. "I don't recognize it therefore aliens" is not valid logic. If what you see can be explained by mundane "mechanicist expectation" then there is no need to invoke magic alien plasma beings from the planet X'og. Therefore no one has to guess what sort of technology they may have as there is no reason to assume their existence. By the way, please stop putting quotation marks around random words. It doesn't strengthen your case. It just makes you look like an "idiot". Edited August 5, 2015 by Strange 3
John Cuthber Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Ant super intelligent life form could presumably fake a human artefact so perhaps the flower pot on my window sill is evidence of alien visitation. On the other hand, plenty of animals use tools and some of themadapt the tools to the purpose so we do know what some non human artefacts look like. What was the point of this thread?
Sensei Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 the shock will be greater than the one received by a human Neanderthal confronted by current technology. Any Neanderthal would think I am God.. Can be greater shock than that?
jeremyjr Posted August 5, 2015 Author Posted August 5, 2015 That is irrelevant. This is a simple error that you and other ufologists frequently make. "I don't recognize it therefore aliens" is not valid logic. If what you see can be explained by mundane "mechanicist expectation" then there is no need to invoke magic alien plasma beings from the planet X'og. Therefore no one has to guess what sort of technology they may have as there is no reason to assume their existence. By the way, please stop putting quotation marks around random words. It doesn't strengthen your case. It just makes you look like an "idiot". As I already mentioned before I do not follow "commands" even less from people that lack basic knoeledge on the topic at hand and please stop making direct offensive personal remarks. People without arguments always relay to that tactics. We see here the "usual" contempt for many people documenting extraordinary phenomena using their very own resources and time. But who is really worthy of contempt? These amateurs that almost daily document extraordinary phenomena or "salaried scientists" that many times are paid by public funding commanding basically unlimited resources and are unable/unwilling/incapable of acknowledging a reality that can be witnessing for almost anybody with very limited resources? Who are the real "idiots"?? You are blinded by your ignorance and you still are unable to see it. So stop the personal insults that was uncalled. But I see that the "enlightened" people of these forum very much like that, the "group mentality" at play. -1
Strange Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 As I already mentioned before I do not follow "commands" What commands? please stop making direct offensive personal remarks. What personal remarks? People without arguments always relay to that tactics. I presented my arguments. You have (as usual) chosen to ignore them. <shrug> We see here the "usual" contempt What contempt? You are blinded by your ignorance and you still are unable to see it. Thank you for the feedback. So stop the personal insults that was uncalled. What insults? As you don't seem interested in discussing the points made, but only in taking offence at some imagined slight and making offensive comments, you can go on the ignore list. 1
jeremyjr Posted August 5, 2015 Author Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) What commands? What personal remarks? I presented my arguments. You have (as usual) chosen to ignore them. <shrug> What contempt? Thank you for the feedback. What insults? As you don't seem interested in discussing the points made, but only in taking offence at some imagined slight and making offensive comments, you can go on the ignore list. It appears that my threads are a "magnet" for you, that is crystal clear. I had never mentioned "aliens" but people like you insist in making that implication. The reality of anomalies can be validated by anyone, precise, objective, repeatable procedures had been given for that, that you choose to ignore that or that you are technically incapable of following simple procedures that is something else. But I had said before that for many people like you will be enough that the high priests of science acknowledge that reality and many will run to follow that, very likely you will be trampling to acknowledge that. Many people are unable to act and think independently they need authority figures to reaffirm their beliefs. But just for your information there are independent thinking persons out there that have their very own ideas and make their very own conclusions without anybody assistance. Edited August 5, 2015 by jeremyjr
Acme Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 ...I had never mentioned "aliens" but people like you insist in making that implication. ... But...but... ... Assuming that shuch artifacts are real, their very existence will challenge many of our current ideas, any intelligent being capable of moving between stars by any means will have a level of technology that we really can't imagine, the shock will be greater than the one received by a human Neanderthal confronted by current technology. ...
pzkpfw Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 ... We see here the "usual" contempt for many people documenting extraordinary phenomena using their very own resources and time. But who is really worthy of contempt? These amateurs that almost daily document extraordinary phenomena or ... You had your chance to put forward the case that the claimed phenomena are extraordinary. Nobody bought it. That's why you've resorted to these whiney meta threads. 2
Phi for All Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 You had your chance to put forward the case that the claimed phenomena are extraordinary. Nobody bought it. That's why you've resorted to these whiney meta threads. ! Moderator Note And the winner of this week's Spot-On Description Award goes to... Whiney Meta-threads! You've won a trip to the grocery store, and a $1 off coupon for some Cheese Nips. AND I'm closing this thread in your honor! 2
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