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Freedom of choice and determinism has probably been discussed here before. This might be a different perspective.

 

Bell's theorem states generally that we cant explain all of QM by hidden local variables in classical mechanics. As in Newton and macroscopic objects in motion. I assume this is correct and it is widely accepted.

 

Less accepted is Bell's proposed solution for "spooky" superluminal action at distance between entangled systems. He proposed that an absolutely deterministic universe with no free will would explain this phenomena. Even the illusion of choice of pertinent experiments is predetermined. In essence the particles would already know when and what state to be in.This seems a little evasive to me.In other words "spooky" action occurs because it was predetermined?

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Finally I get to the point. Assume you find out on the news and in journals this deterministic universe has been absolutely proven by several repeatable valid experiments. :eek: What do you do now? No real freedom of choice. Do what you want to do regardless? Would you be bolder or more cautious? Would it matter?

 

You have been wanting a Mini Cooper for years but spouse says we cant afford it. It is already determined so buy or not? What ever you do is O.K.? You try but no loan. Rob a bank, get the car? It is already determined you will or will not be caught. What I am getting at is that maybe the illusion of choice would be the same as freedom of choice regarding how we rule our lives. What might one do differently if all was predetermined? :unsure:

 

Would this newly discovered determinism be used as a proof of God or of no God. :confused:

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I'd do whatever it is I'm predestined to do.

 

I don't think that getting confirmation of absolute determinism would do much to change my behavior, though.

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Would this newly discovered determinism be used as a proof of God or of no God.

 

It would be used as proof of God by those who believe in Her and proof of the non-existence of God by those who don't believe in Him. The rest of us would just say, "Meh".

 

 

What do you do now? No real freedom of choice. Do what you want to do regardless? Would you be bolder or more cautious? Would it matter?

 

I would say, "Meh".

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Of course,we do what is predestined. BUT, might there be paradoxes. Rob a bank and buy that Cooper and go to jail or not. In essence your present decision determins what was predestined to happen, yes or no.. Violating causality? Effect altering cause? I think I am saying this correctly. There may be paradoxes that preclude determanism eliminating freedom of choice. I find this thought provoking. I guess everything that happens was going to happen. And with free will? :wacko:

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