We need Freedom, Air, Water, Food and Shelter !

[Commander]

That's all our Basic needs !

 

What else do we need ?

 

All other Additional Needs we can live without I suppose !

[dimreepr]

I think a sense of purpose is also a basic need, without which can often result in depression.

[Phi for All]

So if I've got those, what do I need with the rest of you?

[dimreepr]

So if I've got those, what do I need with the rest of you?

 

 

We're the jam in your doughnut.

[Phi for All]

 

 

We're the jam in your doughnut.

 

Ooooh, jam is good!

[Commander]

I think a sense of purpose is also a basic need, without which can often result in depression.

 

Yes I agree and that is for Good Living and not Just Living !

 

+1

So if I've got those, what do I need with the rest of you?

 

Phil, the Basic needs enable you to work .... further ...and excel etc but none of those are Basic Needs I suppose.

+1

Edited September 14, 2015 by Commander

[Phi for All]

 

Phil, the Basic needs enable you to work .... further ...and excel etc but none of those are Basic Needs I suppose.

+1

 

For what reason are you imposing such austerity? I keep picturing a single human on Earth, free to do anything it's capable of doing, breathing air, drinking water, eating food, sheltering in a cave. It's going to live out its life and then die, and become food for another creature. End of story.

 

I think we need other humans. Bare necessity, a mate for procreation.

[dimreepr]

How far do you want to go?

 

Because at this moment in time I actually need nothing at all, it’s warm and dry and I’m well hydrated and fed.

 

It’s healthy and rewarding to deny yourself all but the basics for a short time, it helps to reset your system and fully appreciate what you do have; but to live in such austerity is just survival and without the jam what’s the point?

 

Being content with what you have is the secret but there’s nothing wrong in wanting more, I spend many happy hours dreaming of my life with lots of money, the trick is not being jealous of those that have what you want.

Edited September 14, 2015 by dimreepr

[Commander]

 

For what reason are you imposing such austerity? I keep picturing a single human on Earth, free to do anything it's capable of doing, breathing air, drinking water, eating food, sheltering in a cave. It's going to live out its life and then die, and become food for another creature. End of story.

 

I think we need other humans. Bare necessity, a mate for procreation.

 

You are absolutely right ! All other needs do have a place !

How far do you want to go?

 

Because at this moment in time I actually need nothing at all, it’s warm and dry and I’m well hydrated and fed.

 

It’s healthy and rewarding to deny yourself all but the basics for a short time, it helps to reset your system and fully appreciate what you do have; but to live in such austerity is just survival and without the jam what’s the point?

 

Being content with what you have is the secret but there’s nothing wrong in wanting more, I spend many happy hours dreaming of my life with lots of money, the trick is not being jealous of those that have what you want.

 

You are very right ! I agree with what you say !

[John Cuthber]

That's all our Basic needs !

 

What else do we need ?

 

All other Additional Needs we can live without I suppose !

Well,after a while, sex looks like a really good idea.

[dimreepr]

Well,after a while, sex looks like a really good idea.

 

 

 

Even in prison.

[John Cuthber]

 

 

 

Even in prison.

I bow to superior knowledge.

But seriously, the list reminds me of the Mark twain quote about what he thought mankind would be without women; "Scarce- Mighty scarce".

[dimreepr]

I bow to superior knowledge.

But seriously, the list reminds me of the Mark twain quote about what he thought mankind would be without women; "Scarce- Mighty scarce".

 

 

But briefly happy...

In the interest of equality, I’ve no doubt the antipode is also true.

[Commander]

Well,after a while, sex looks like a really good idea.

 

Well Basic needs have to be put into effective use to have a Good Quality of Life.

 

Say Freedom needs to be used correctly which can solve many other needs.

 

Shelter can also mean supporting many needs.

[John Cuthber]

So, all we need is food as long as by "food" we mean all the things we need.

[Commander]

So, all we need is food as long as by "food" we mean all the things we need.

 

Yes Food too has an expanded usage but whatever suffices comes into the Basic Need Category.

 

The stripped down version of Basic Needs calls for Optimal Usage of Resources and austerity.

 

Freedom is the only non-material need which means many things for many and nothing for the non-creative !

[Klaynos]

In not sure freedom is a need in such a fundamental way as food or water.

 

Feudal systems existed fur centuries and people survived.

[Commander]

In not sure freedom is a need in such a fundamental way as food or water.

 

Feudal systems existed fur centuries and people survived.

 

You are right Freedom is not a Must for Just sustaining Life.

 

But most of us prefer not to live without Freedom and therefore can be regarded as a Basic Need [on popular demand perhaps]

 

Further we need to be Alive, Conscious , Healthy , with Senses and Faculties and Protected from Disasters/External Damages etc which all come in the Next Level towards Meaningful / Higher Living !

 

We Need our Planet too and our needs can be as big as that too !

[dimreepr]

 

You are right Freedom is not a Must for Just sustaining Life.

 

But most of us prefer not to live without Freedom and therefore can be regarded as a Basic Need [on popular demand perhaps]

 

 

Generally, freedom isn’t a choice one can make.

 

 

Further we need to be Alive, Conscious , Healthy , with Senses and Faculties and Protected from Disasters/External Damages etc which all come in the Next Level towards Meaningful / Higher Living !

 

I think you’ll need to define what you mean by "meaningful/higher living" because this looks like you’re saying most of us aren’t on that level.

[Commander]

 

 

 

Generally, freedom isn’t a choice one can make.

 

 

I think you’ll need to define what you mean by "meaningful/higher living" because this looks like you’re saying most of us aren’t on that level.

 

 

Well if Additional Needs are met with Living becoming more interesting purposeful and thereby meaningful which is the Level in which most of us live. We all do have more than what is needed for bare existence [shelter includes clothing too] and that is a great way of living.

Edited September 15, 2015 by Commander

[Klaynos]

I prefer not to live without my mobile phone, is that a basic need?

 

I think some firm definition of basic need needs to be devised before we can decide what falls within or without.

 

I'd consider the most basic to be what you need to not die.

[dimreepr]

 

Well if Additional Needs are met with Living becoming more interesting purposeful and thereby meaningful which is the Level in which most of us live. We all do have more than what is needed for bare existence [shelter includes clothing too] and that is a great way of living.

 

 

What about “higher living”?

 

I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make.

[Commander]

 

 

What about “higher living”?

 

I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make.

 

Yes, if any additional needs more than the basic needs are met it leads to higher standards of living which is the 'higher living' quoted.

[Phi for All]

In not sure freedom is a need in such a fundamental way as food or water.

 

Feudal systems existed fur centuries and people survived.

 

The most successful government theoretically is a benevolent dictatorship. When I take absolute control of the planet, everyone will be fed, clothed, educated, and sheltered. You'll have meaningful employment (including a really nice mobile phone) to give you a sense of purpose, others to procreate with, and I promise to throw lots of parties with all the money I save not having wars and such.

[Commander]

In not sure freedom is a need in such a fundamental way as food or water.

 

Feudal systems existed fur centuries and people survived.

 

That's a good point Klaynos :

 

+1 for you

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

I posted this as a response to this Topic and that too got lodged below

 

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Then,

 

Also we need TIME !

 

Because we take time for everything.

 

Doing any work or using any of our other needs.

 

TIME can not be stored or banked like other resources but has to be Spent !

 

We get it at the Most Democratic Steady and Equal rate and no one can get it or spend it slower or faster than anyone else !

 

Those who try and spend it slower tend to become Philosophers and those who try and spend it faster become Prophets or soothsayers !

 

We need Time Even to Think coming to think of that !

 

Other needs if supplied in abundance can cause havoc like Freedom - Anarchy , Air - Storm , Water - Tsunami, Food - Obesity , Shelter - Isolation but any amount of TIME is Welcome !

 

Will I get Enough ?

I prefer not to live without my mobile phone, is that a basic need?

 

I think some firm definition of basic need needs to be devised before we can decide what falls within or without.

 

I'd consider the most basic to be what you need to not die.

 

Yes that is the need for Communication, Sharing and Expression of Feelings which are part of FREEDOM I suppose !

Edited September 16, 2015 by Commander