yeswedeliver Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 It's not easy for a no one to state something and have anyone listen. Maybe some one will read my assertion and champion it on their own. The Van Allen Belt is clearly electro magnetic. Naturally occurring in its origin or seeded and put there deliberately - might anyone speculate that the metals - especially the gold in the earth - perhaps the silver - taken from the ground of the earth might have an effect on the belts phenonina? The answer seems elementary. I wonder if others think I'm sleep deprived or have a genuine thought? Thanks for your thoughts. jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophiolite Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) It's not easy for a no one to state something and have anyone listen. Hi Jerry. This is often true. What I have also observed is that many individuals in your position are even more incapable of listening. I hope this is not true of you. I hope you will listen carefully to what I have to say and to any remarks made by other established members. Maybe some one will read my assertion and champion it on their own. This is highly unlikely: Your idea is currently too ill defined to merit further consideration. Anyone with the skill set and background knowledge to champion it will have two dozen better ideas during the course of an afternoon. As currently stated by you the idea has no apparent evidence supporting it and much evidence contradicting it. The fourth reason is explained in the next paragraph. The Van Allen Belt is clearly electro magnetic. Naturally occurring in its origin or seeded and put there deliberately The van Allen Belt is completely natural. It's origin and character are now well understood. Suggesting that it may have been put there deliberately smacks of conspiracy theory, alien overlords and similar fringe fantasies. No one with their brain engaged will indulge themselves with such nonsense. might anyone speculate that the metals - especially the gold in the earth - perhaps the silver - taken from the ground of the earth might have an effect on the belts phenonina(sic)? Clearly someone might so speculate and - it turns out - that someone is you. Does that speculation have any merit? No. The belt is "controlled" by the Earth's magnetosphere and its interaction with the solar wind. The magnetosphere arises from the core of the planet and its character is influenced in only the most minor of ways, if at all, by the composition of the crust. That aside: 1. What effects do you think it might have? 2. What makes you think this? 3. What would be the mechanism of these effects? The answer seems elementary. It is. Your idea is good, in that it is an idea. It is bad, in that it is groundless. I wonder if others think I'm sleep deprived or have a genuine thought? You have a genuine thought, it just isn't a very good one. Better luck next time. Don't give up trying. Edited November 1, 2015 by Ophiolite 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Just for a start, much, if not most, of the gold dug out of the ground has been buried in the ground again. It is now buried in places like Fort Knox. So, from the point of view of the V A belts, nothing has changed. But, even if we had done something different with it, why would you imagine that the gold might affect the belts in any way? How could it do so? What connection is there between the metal on the ground and the belts in the sky? Unless you cangive convincing answers to those questions (and others) nobody is going to pay you any attention; nor should they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 And if the movement of minute amount of metals at the surface of the Earth were to have any effect, then I would expect iron to be much more significant than gold: there are many orders of magnitude more of it in use and it is ferromagnetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 It's not easy for a no one to state something and have anyone listen. Maybe some one will read my assertion and champion it on their own. The Van Allen Belt is clearly electro magnetic. Naturally occurring in its origin or seeded and put there deliberately - might anyone speculate that the metals - especially the gold in the earth - perhaps the silver - taken from the ground of the earth might have an effect on the belts phenonina? The answer seems elementary. I wonder if others think I'm sleep deprived or have a genuine thought? Thanks for your thoughts. jerry I'd kind of like to know what connection gold and silver have to magnetism much less the van allen belts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Does the US still have a large gold depository in Fort Knox to back their currency ? I didn't think that was the case anymore, John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Does the US still have a large gold depository in Fort Knox to back their currency ? I didn't think that was the case anymore, John. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bullion_Depository Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Thanks, Moontanman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeswedeliver Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Oh, I am groaning and cleaning up my wounds. Sigh. So many interesting comments and not easy to respond but one by one and I'll concede to one notion and that is I am no Einstein - and so I won't address them all. But to understand some of what I suggest, one needs to have some experience with magnetic fields, and energy fields in general; and, of course they can be effected by 'veins' of metal on a planetary scale ...any magnetic or energy field surrounding the planet would be influenced by elements and minerals in the earth. It is elements in the earth that produce it's [the belts] shape; it reall is elementary and it's very reasonable to consider that metals have impact on any 'magnetic' or better said, electro magnetic, or other energy field - like the v a belt. OK, in the end, I'll concede maybe it's best for a chapter in a science fiction book more than a journal, but I still think the thought is sound. Men much wiser and smarter than I - have been scoffed worse than I got here ... All and all, not bad. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophiolite Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 No one was scoffing at you. Several were scoffing at your idea. There is a galaxy of difference between the two. The shape of the van Allen belts is produced by the flow of iron in the outer core. There is no evidence that the comparatively small volume of metal in the crust has any meaningful impact on the belts. There is no theoretical ground to think that this metal would influence the belts in any measurable way. It was an interesting thought. Examination of the facts shows the thought to be without basis. Clinging to a thought after it has been dismantled may lead to being scoffed at. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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