Kalopin Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) Nice read, I offer you another option, I hope you may take the time to go over every detail and study the satellite views closely. Although convection and other forces may help to induce movement- It is my contention that most of the tectonic displacement has been the result from extraterrestrial influences- that the Moon had impacted the Tethys sea, where the Mediterranean sea now exists, approx.13kya, [YDB] to cause the Gothenburg geomagnetic excursion, breaking up the super-continent of Pangaea, causing mass extinctions [megaflora, megafauna,...] and ending the Pleistocene era... [Notice that every tectonic interaction, [with the exception of the African plate trying to fill in the crater from the rebound effect as well as spin force,] emanates out from this central location, at the Mediterranean sea...] ...and that approximately 2500 years after this, [approx. 10.5kya] a comet hit where the Hudson bay is, emptying out lake Agassiz, causing further extinction, loss of history and ending the Clovis culture... [notice the design of the bay, Nastapoka arc, the magnetic anomaly, the shatter effect of the islands, how Greenland was pushed to the northeast,..] All this information is written in the geography of this planet, historical accounts, scientific and observational data, ice cores, sedimentary layers,... and is readily available on satellite view... Here is just one discussion on this matter and is located at this site- http://www.scienceforums.com/topic/27514-mediterranean-appalachian-pangaea-impact-crater/ further information- http://archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3427 I invite any rebuttal, [except for the current dating process and present understandings within impact physics, as I strongly disagree with the accuracy of either.] Yes, this is a major discovery, being misunderstood, with very little help [or it seems, concern] and, so I am hoping to get your attention, as students pay so much for a decent education and should be allowed to learn the most likely scenario. I feel strongly that these hypotheses merit further investigation. This evidence doesn't necessarily negate most other research but, in fact, compliments it... After you have given this study, please let me know what you think thanks Edited January 12, 2016 by Kalopin
arc Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) Here is just one discussion on this matter and is located at this site- http://www.scienceforums.com/topic/27514-mediterranean-appalachian-pangaea-impact-crater/ I ran across one of your countless forays a year ago on some forgotten site. When I Googled "Kalopin's Legacy, 1811: A comet and a Quake" I found ten pages of your various threads on different sites going back to at least 2011. I don't think you had too many left to go once you got to the one named www.sexmessenger. I read some of your threads you've had over the years on some of the more reputable science forums, and you were hammered every time by the opposition. What stands out to me is I don't see any improvement in your skill at either defending your idea from one thread to the next, or that you studied up on the available science and its impact on your idea before going back for another pummeling. Your hypothesis is not well grounded. You need to read through all of your old threads that were at those reputable science sites and take one critique at a time and see if you can do research and build a counter argument to challenge their objections. Not just complain that they don't understand or they are blind to new ideas. They know more than you or I. That is a fact that you must deal with one way or another. You can challenge them by showing through supporting REPUTABLE research that their critique can be shown to be wrong or made weaker or just uncertain by evidence that agrees with your predictions. This is important, it's nice to crush them with a superior research paper, but death by a thousand research papercuts is more likely, and the odds are against you at even doing that. But none of that matters if you cannot present a logical series of cause and effects to your idea. You must build your argument like you would build a stone wall. A solid foundation is first. Does your idea have a logically derived explanation of the subject phenomena that is as good or better than the prior scientific explanation. This is where I think you are stuck, you have gathered together some natural occurring rock samples, some local geologic and seismic history, some stuff from pseudoscience and an almanac's celestial index and piled it up together while telling everyone, as it pours out over the ground under it own lack of integrity, they can't blow it down. If your Idea doesn't work at one forum it's not likely going to work anywhere else, you can't shop it around and find a buyer. What is more likely to happen is someone will take advantage of you and your growing desperation to sell this idea. Good luck, but I think you have long overran your course on this subject. Edited January 12, 2016 by arc 3
Strange Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 I invite any rebuttal, [except for the current dating process and present understandings within impact physics, as I strongly disagree with the accuracy of either.] As you have no replacement for the physics of impacts or dating processes, we will have to stick with the science we currently know. Which pretty much rules out your wild guesses as impossible (as you tacitly admit by trying to exclude scientific data).
Kalopin Posted January 12, 2016 Author Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) I ran across one of your countless forays a year ago on some forgotten site. When I Googled "Kalopin's Legacy, 1811: A comet and a Quake" I found ten pages of your various threads on different sites going back to at least 2011. I don't think you had too many left to go once you got to the one named www.sexmessenger. I read some of your threads you've had over the years on some of the more reputable science forums, and you were hammered every time by the opposition. What stands out to me is I don't see any improvement in your skill at either defending your idea from one thread to the next, or that you studied up on the available science and its impact on your idea before going back for another pummeling. Your hypothesis is not well grounded. You need to read through all of your old threads that were at those reputable science sites and take one critique at a time and see if you can do research and build a counter argument to challenge their objections. Not just complain that they don't understand or they are blind to new ideas. They know more than you or I. That is a fact that you must deal with one way or another. You can challenge them by showing through supporting REPUTABLE research that their critique can be shown to be wrong or made weaker or just uncertain by evidence that agrees with your predictions. This is important, it's nice to crush them with a superior research paper, but death by a thousand research papercuts is more likely, and the odds are against you at even doing that. But none of that matters if you cannot present a logical series of cause and effects to your idea. You must build your argument like you would build a stone wall. A solid foundation is first. Does your idea have a logically derived explanation of the subject phenomena that is as good or better than the prior scientific explanation. This is where I think you are stuck, you have gathered together some natural occurring rock samples, some local geologic and seismic history, some stuff from pseudoscience and an almanac's celestial index and piled it up together while telling everyone, as it pours out over the ground under it own lack of integrity, they can't blow it down. If your Idea doesn't work at one forum it's not likely going to work anywhere else, you can't shop it around and find a buyer. What is more likely to happen is someone will take advantage of you and your growing desperation to sell this idea. Good luck, but I think you have long overran your course on this subject. [actually,-] As far as the Moon impacting where the Mediterranean is, this has already been proven, it is just waiting to be understood- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3677428/ http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/10.1086/677046.pdf?acceptTC=true&jpdConfirm=true ...as there are more than ten million tonnes of impact spherules covering over four continents containing nanodiamonds which formed at temperatures exceeding 2200*C. This is way too high a temperature for any airburst or serial impact. Once this has been understood fully, then it will be found that the only object with enough mass, weight, volume, density, electromagnetic repulsion and in orbit, to cause this outcome, would be the Moon. [...but-] The "smoking gun" are the pyramids and temples buried by the ejecta blanket, which consists mainly of limestone. Limestone forms beneath water, deep in seas- http://geology.com/rocks/limestone.shtml So how were the pyramids, that were built on top of Chicxulub crater- [Xibalba- http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-mayans-idUSN1442474520080817] covered by sedimentary deposits? ...and how does this compare to present beliefs in impact physics? How big of an impact would this take? ...even if you want to believe [the stupidity] that these temples were somehow built in the caves and beneath water, the limestone still exists. So how did it get there? Please go through this research- https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/moment-space-anthropocene-rock-tony-hood ...and even this form [trajectory, angle, rate, force,...] of impact from the Moon, as massive as it was, would not have sent tons of spherules across such a vast amount of ocean. The Atlantic ocean did not exist, but was formed by this impact. This can be the only explanation for these findings ;[...just waiting to be understood...] want to help? ;-] Edited January 12, 2016 by Kalopin
Strange Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 [actually,-] As far as the Moon impacting where the Mediterranean is, this has already been proven, it is just waiting to be understood- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3677428/ http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/10.1086/677046.pdf?acceptTC=true&jpdConfirm=true 1. If other people are not allowed to use science to demonstrate that your idea is wrong, then you are not allowed to use it to support your ideas. 2. Those papers are not about a collision with the moon. Obviously.
Kalopin Posted January 12, 2016 Author Posted January 12, 2016 1. If other people are not allowed to use science to demonstrate that your idea is wrong, then you are not allowed to use it to support your ideas. 2. Those papers are not about a collision with the moon. Obviously. what "science"?- the "dating" process? "impact physics"? Conjecture with no substance is not science... so, what are the papers about? what process would have such an outcome? There is no other option available...and there is no doubt that there has to be an explanation for all these events, historical accounts, all the geography, all this scientific data,... [...though I welcome your assumptions...] -1
Strange Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 what "science"?- the "dating" process? "impact physics"? Conjecture with no substance is not science... so, what are the papers about? Apparently, they are just conjecture. <shrug>
Moontanman Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 what "science"?- the "dating" process? "impact physics"? Conjecture with no substance is not science... so, what are the papers about? what process would have such an outcome? There is no other option available...and there is no doubt that there has to be an explanation for all these events, historical accounts, all the geography, all this scientific data,... [...though I welcome your assumptions...] An object the size of the moon hitting the Earth would melt the surface of the entire planet, all it takes is a 300 kilometer object to melt the entire surface down to several miles...
Kalopin Posted January 13, 2016 Author Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) An object the size of the moon hitting the Earth would melt the surface of the entire planet, all it takes is a 300 kilometer object to melt the entire surface down to several miles... ...and this is the phaulty fisics I speak of! No, it does not work that way. Science is based on the tangible, not someone's belief... One of my favorite quotes- "Individuals are entitled to beliefs, scientists are obligated to examine the percentage of possibility" This research will prove that impact physics and the dating process need revision. As I am sure you understand, all the effects that occurred have to find an explanation. Once you go through and study the satellite views, historical accounts, scientific and observational data and the "mountains" of evidence, I believe, you will come to this same conclusion, as there is no other mechanism available to create the geography that is easily viewed. Please give me some of the current beliefs for the formation processes for any of the existing anomalies. Maybe let's start with the Kasha-Ketuwe Tent rocks- http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/content/nm/en/prog/NLCS/KKTR_NM.html "volcanic"? they are limestone. Yes, all this rock fell out of the sky, from the ejecta blanket approx. 13kya! There is no other option, no other believable explanation. There is no volcano near and the rock is sedimentary, not some extrusive igneous...and study their appearance, as if they were wet sand on a beach... This is but one, I can go through every detail, every mountain across several continents... The Indian plate was pushed upward by the African plate instantly at impact to form the Himalayas- http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/himalaya.html See what is currently believed? But the plate did not follow any ocean currents or the Earth's rotation. In fact it went against these forces and would have no other option but to have been pushed upward by the African plate... [do you see yet, where this is going?;-] Apparently, they are just conjecture. <shrug> No, the papers have been written using science- tangible evidence that can be felt, seen, cut into thin sections, examined under spectrometers,... Unlike the dating and physics, that is based with faulty math- , http://www.udri.udayton.edu/AerospaceMechanics/ImpactPhysics/Pages/home.aspx as there is no way to take into account all the varying effects from every impact. they are all different... the belief that rubidium-strontium or uranium-lead decays at a certain rate- http://www.iem-inc.com/information/radioactivity-basics/decay-half-life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium%E2%80%93lead_dating ...with way too many intricacies and variables... This does not stand up to what is being seen, studied and read,... http://www.sci-news.com/space/science-libyan-desert-glass-diamond-bearing-pebble-evidence-comet-01446.html [what formed all the Libyan glass?] Oh,so close! no, not a comet- the Moon!...and it was 13kya-the YDB... Edited January 13, 2016 by Kalopin -1
studiot Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 kalopin ...and this is the phaulty fisics I speak of! This whole junket is clearly a plug for Nigel Molesworth books. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Molesworth At least they offered a semblence of humour. 1
imatfaal Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 This whole junket is clearly a plug for Nigel Molesworth books. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Molesworth At least they offered a semblence of humour. more than a semblance as any fule kno
swansont Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 Once this has been understood fully, then it will be found that the only object with enough mass, weight, volume, density, electromagnetic repulsion and in orbit, to cause this outcome, would be the Moon. ! Moderator Note This reminds me of the Sidney Harris cartoon that has "then a miracle occurs" in the middle of some math on the chalkboard, and the tagline is "You need to be more explicit in step 2" You are missing a whole lot of necessary science with a statement like what I have quoted. You don't get to just skip over that and move on to some further conjecture. You get one more shot at bringing in some actual scientific analysis before I shut this down. I would advise you not waste that on responding to this modnote
Kalopin Posted January 14, 2016 Author Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Sea- the average depth of the Mediterranean is nearly a mile and "the deepest recorded point" is 17,280ft., 5267m or over 3miles deep and keep in mind, this hypothesis claims the African plate has rebounded into the Eurasian plate, [as this is what is occurring...] filling in the crater as it moves northward, so the original depth after impact could, very well, have been "several miles". That said, you must take into effect all the details with such an impact. An object in orbit comes in at a lesser velocity and the Moon has its own magnetosphere which will produce a repulsion effect. I have considered many different scenarios for the geography seen and so, this is one most considered: The moon has impacted this planet on several occasion. The first was the most catastrophic, as the Moon, in this theory, is the crystalized iron inner core from a once habitable planet from a now defunct nearby solar system who's star had went supernova. This is commonplace throughout galaxies and these inner cores have strong attractions to stars and inner solar systems... Please see some details about our Moon- [this was the original link- http://home1.gte.net/poofalow/moon11.htm "eleven things that NASA discovered about the Moon that you never knew" but, since it appears that link was removed?Here are a few more- https://shanepedia.wordpress.com/out-of-the-world/eleven-things-that-nasa-discovered-about-the-moon-that-you-never-knew/ http://www.nairaland.com/1859143/11-things-nasa-discovered-moon http://drowninginabsurdity.org/2012/09/13/odd-things-nasa-knows-about-the-moon/ ...and please go through and read this discussion in its entirety to find out how much evidence points to these events- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14992NASA's findings of the Moon will be found on page 2... Also- http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=5886has more info. During the late Pleistocene the Moon was in a much closer an unstable orbit, as the land masses had once again congealed through spin force causing planetary imbalance, producing excessive wobble effect. As the Moon became closer, blocking the Sun on daytime passes, this caused great cooling in temperatures and is the reason for the mid-Pleistocene ice age. As the Moon became extremely close it produced massive amounts of convection, loosening and cracking up Pangaea, causing major volcanic activity. all this is written within ice core data... Because there was such an imbalance, the Moon impacted, first releasing its plasma, major bolts of lightning and skipping to form the Black sea. The electromagnetic repulsion further slowed the force as it hit the Tethys sea, where the Mediterranean now exists. The Moon, being made of iron, received little punishment form the much softer outer plates of Earth and the fact it hit water. At this moment, massive amounts of limestone was ejected into the atmosphere. rock was pushed into a pile to form the Appalachian mountain range and,after pinching the plate to form the Mississippi embayment, it exhumed mass amounts of solid limestone, thrust upward to form the Ozark mountain range. As the shock wave moved westward, flattening out the Plains, it pushed downward on the eastern end of the now broken shelf and lifted the entire north and south American plates on the western end, ripping it from the mantle to form the Marianas trench. At this moment, as the western side of the entire shelf lifted, a huge slab of plate broke away, now known as the Farallon plate- http://www.livescience.com/27994-lost-tectonic-plate-california.htmland was engulfed beneath north and south America forming the Rockies and the Andes ranges. This left the mid-Atlantic ridge. At this point, as the Moon rebounded off of its self-made springboard, from where it had pinched in the plate, [leaving the NMSZ, Wabash, Big Creek faults,...] sending it out to a much more stable orbit, leaving a better balanced planet, massive amounts of water and sediment were sent down to form the Grand canyon, as well as several other. This then left a small part of the Tethys- lake Agassiz, which still covered most of the top part of north America... all this occurred while the African plate swiveled out at the Arabian plate, opening up and pushing the Indian plate upward into the Eurasian plate forming the Himalayas. This sent Australia off to the southeast and Antarctica down to the south pole. this was very helpful to give better balance, safer orbital elements and to terraform much of the planet, giving a new world. it appears that these events take place on a regular basis throughout the universe, within the habitable zone of stars and that these leftover iron inner cores are an important ingredient in the formation process to bring in a habitable planet. Earth's moon is a terraforming, harmonic balancer. I would like to propose that this cycle was what the ancient civilizations were mapping. That, before this event, during the Pleistocene, the planet made 360 revolutions in a year. That this impact, not only slowed the outer plates and mantle down in relation to the faster spinning, crystalized inner core to produce more gravity and electromagnetism, making it impossible for plants and animals to grow as large or to live as long, it lengthened Earth's day by about 34minutes. this will explain every detail and the reason that the younger dryas now grows so much smaller that the older dryas. i invite you to go over all this information, determine its accuracy. Ask the questions- What force could have brought in so much excessively cold air to instantaneously freeze almost all the life in the northern arctic regions? What would have caused "the great die off" basically sterilizing the whole of north America and ridding the horses? Why did all the plants and animals instantly stop growing as large or living as long at the start of the Holocene? What caused such a mass extinction and the loss of all the megaflora and megafauna? Why is their 360* degrees in a circle? [sumerians? Anunnaki?] Why would there be mountains piled with so much coal, a deep crease, embayment and then mountains of almost pure limestone? Why does the entire north American continent arc out from the east to the west? Why do all the mountains to the west of the Mediterranean show the same westerly projection?... there are so many more, please consider and ask them... If you push the Ozarks back to the rock of Gibraltar and to the Betic Cordilleras, opening the strait of Gibraltar, pushing Africa out to open the Mediterranean, making it almost round, they will align almost perfectly. This will push the Arabian plate back into Asia and Africa. replace south America, Antarctica to south Africa, Australia, Madagascar and India to eastern Africa. this will form Pangaea and will explain all of what had occurred with the Holocene impact 12,980 years ago... Notice the two pivot points at impact- at Iceland for the north American plate and at southwestern edge of the Arabian plate for Africa and the southern hemisphere... There is so much more that can only be explained using this impact scenario, much of which is written in our history. These events are the reason for so much of our loss of history and the technologies that had existed during the Pleistocene, some of which was left over in ancient Egypt, the central Americas and the Clovis culture... [for Plato-] I hope you may take some time to look into findings to consider that the ruins of Atlantis stretch from Xibalba, the Yucatan peninsula to out passed the Bimini road... If you have any questions, and/or if their may be anything you would like to further discuss, I will be more than happy to better explain... Thanks for giving this the study, that I believe, it deserves... Edited January 14, 2016 by Kalopin -1
Moontanman Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Sea- the average depth of the Mediterranean is nearly a mile and "the deepest recorded point" is 17,280ft., 5267m or over 3miles deep and keep in mind, this hypothesis claims the African plate has rebounded into the Eurasian plate, [as this is what is occurring...] filling in the crater as it moves northward, so the original depth after impact could, very well, have been "several miles". That said, you must take into effect all the details with such an impact. An object in orbit comes in at a lesser velocity and the Moon has its own magnetosphere which will produce a repulsion effect. I have considered many different scenarios for the geography seen and so, this is one most considered: The moon has impacted this planet on several occasion. The first was the most catastrophic, as the Moon, in this theory, is the crystalized iron inner core from a once habitable planet from a now defunct nearby solar system who's star had went supernova. This is commonplace throughout galaxies and these inner cores have strong attractions to stars and inner solar systems... Please see some details about our Moon- [this was the original link- http://home1.gte.net/poofalow/moon11.htm "eleven things that NASA discovered about the Moon that you never knew" but, since it appears that link was removed?Here are a few more- https://shanepedia.wordpress.com/out-of-the-world/eleven-things-that-nasa-discovered-about-the-moon-that-you-never-knew/ http://www.nairaland.com/1859143/11-things-nasa-discovered-moon http://drowninginabsurdity.org/2012/09/13/odd-things-nasa-knows-about-the-moon/ ...an please go through and read this discussion in its entirety to find out how much evidence points to these events- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14992NASA's findings of the Moon will be found on page 2... Also- http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=5886has more info. During the late Pleistocene the Moon was in a much closer an unstable orbit, as the land masses had once again congealed through spin force causing planetary imbalance, producing excessive wobble effect. As the Moon became closer, blocking the Sun on daytime passes, this caused great cooling in temperatures and is the reason for the mid-Pleistocene ice age. As the Moon became extremely close it produced massive amounts of convection, loosening and cracking up Pangaea, causing major volcanic activity. all this is written within ice core data... Because there was such an imbalance, the Moon impacted, first releasing its plasma, major bolts of lightning and skipping to form the Black sea. The electromagnetic repulsion further slowed the force as it hit the Tethys sea, where the Mediterranean now exists. The Moon, being made of iron, received little punishment form the much softer outer plates of Earth and the fact it hit water. At this moment, massive amounts of limestone was ejected into the atmosphere. rock was pushed into a pile to form the Appalachian mountain range and,after pinching the plate to form the Mississippi embayment, it exhumed mass amounts of solid limestone, thrust upward to form the Ozark mountain range. As the shock wave moved westward, flattening out the Plains, it pushed downward on the eastern end of the now broken shelf and lifted the entire north and south American plates on the western end, ripping it from the mantle to form the Marianas trench. At this moment, as the western side of the entire shelf lifted, a huge slab of plate broke away, now known as the Farallon plate- http://www.livescience.com/27994-lost-tectonic-plate-california.htmland was engulfed beneath north and south America forming the Rockies and the Andes ranges. This left the mid-Atlantic ridge. At this point, as the Moon rebounded off of its self-made springboard, from where it had pinched in the plate, [leaving the NMSZ, Wabash, Big Creek faults,...] sending it out to a much more stable orbit, leaving a better balanced planet, massive amounts of water and sediment were sent down to form the Grand canyon, as well as several other. This then left a small part of the Tethys- lake Agassiz, which still covered most of the top part of north America... all this occurred while the African plate swiveled out at the Arabian plate, opening up and pushing the Indian plate upward into the Eurasian plate forming the Himalayas. This sent Australia off to the southeast and Antarctica down to the south pole. this was very helpful to give better balance, safer orbital elements and to terraform much of the planet, giving a new world. it appears that these events take place on a regular basis throughout the universe, within the habitable zone of stars and that these leftover iron inner cores are an important ingredient in the formation process to bring in a habitable planet. Earth's moon is a terraforming, harmonic balancer. I would like to propose that this cycle was what the ancient civilizations were mapping. That, before this event, during the Pleistocene, the planet made 360 revolutions in a year. That this impact, not only slowed the outer plates and mantle down in relation to the faster spinning, crystalized inner core to produce more gravity and electromagnetism, making it impossible for plants and animals to grow as large or to live as long, it lengthened Earth's day by about 34minutes. this will explain every detail and the reason that the younger dryas now grows so much smaller that the older dryas. i invite you to go over all this information, determine its accuracy. Ask the questions- What force could have brought in so much excessively cold air to instantaneously freeze almost all the life in the northern arctic regions? What would have caused "the great die off" basically sterilizing the whole of north America and ridding the horses? Why did all the plants and animals instantly stop growing as large or living as long at the start of the Holocene? What caused such a mass extinction and the loss of all the megaflora and megafauna? Why is their 360* degrees in a circle? [sumerians? Anunnaki?] Why would there be mountains piled with so much coal, a deep crease, embayment and then mountains of almost pure limestone? Why does the entire north American continent arc out from the east to the west? Why do all the mountains to the west of the Mediterranean show the same westerly projection?... there are so many more, please consider and ask them... If you push the Ozarks back to the rock of Gibraltar and to the Betic Cordilleras, opening the strait of Gibraltar, pushing Africa out to open the Mediterranean, making it almost round, they will align almost perfectly. This will push the Arabian plate back into Asia and Africa. replace south America, Antarctica to south Africa, Australia, Madagascar and India to eastern Africa. this will form Pangaea and will explain all of what had occurred with the Holocene impact 12,980 years ago... Notice the two pivot points at impact- at Iceland for the north American plate and at southwestern edge of the Arabian plate for Africa and the southern hemisphere... There is so much more that can only be explained using this impact scenario. Much of which is written in our history. These events are the reason for so much of our loss of history and the technologies that had existed during the Pleistocene, some of which was left over in ancient Egypt, the central Americas and the Clovis culture... [for Plato-] I hope you may take some time to look into findings to consider that the ruins of Atlantis stretch from Xibalba, the Yucatan peninsula to out passed the Bimini road... If you have any questions, and/or if their may be anything you would like to further discuss, i will be more than happy to better explain... Thanks for giving this the study, that I believe, it deserves... The Moon it not made mostly of iron, it is made of silicates, and objects of that size and mass do not skip when they hit something...
Kalopin Posted January 14, 2016 Author Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) The Moon it not made mostly of iron, it is made of silicates, and objects of that size and mass do not skip when they hit something... ...most of the anorthosite is from impacts- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anorthosite ...the inner layers are solid iron and most of the mantle, quote- "...samples of the flood lavas erupted in the surface from partial melting in the mantle confirm the mafic mantle composition, which is more iron rich than that of Earth..." ...and would you have an example of two objects of this size impacting?...or is this another assumption with no basis in real science? where are the experiments and how could you have such an experiment? have you taken into consideration that objects of this size would have a repulsion effect or that such an impact may induce a rebound effect? Now consider all the geological formations, study the satellite views... Go to Google Earth, notice all the scarring and scraping across the seafloor, from the American plates "drifting" to the west. Would this still be so apparent in millions of years? Do you see where the scraping ends, directly over the mantle plume, known as the Bermuda hotspot? this is the point where the north American plate was lifted [similar to a air-hockey table]. This forced pressure down off the coast of Belize, releasing Cuba, Puerto Rico,... forming the Caribbean, Gulf of Mexico and ripping in, pushing down to form the Cayman trench... Have you heard of any other scenario to describe so many details within the geography of this planet? The Maria on the Moon are from this impact 13kya. [Yes, the evidence is clearly staring everyone in the face... :-] Edited January 14, 2016 by Kalopin
arc Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Have you heard of any other scenario to describe so many details within the geography of this planet? Yes I have, funny you should ask. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth "The Hollow Earth hypothesis proposes that the planet Earth either is entirely hollow or otherwise contains a substantial interior space. The scientific community has dismissed the notion since at least the late 18th century. The concept of a hollow Earth recurs many times in folklore and as the premise for subterranean fiction, a subgenre of adventure fiction. It is also featured in some present-daypseudoscientific and conspiracy theories." Edmond Halley in 1692[20] put forth the idea of Earth consisting of a hollow shell about 800 km (500 mi) thick, two inner concentric shells and an innermost core, about the diameters of the planets Venus, Mars, and Mercury. Atmospheres separate these shells, and each shell has its own magnetic poles. The spheres rotate at different speeds. Halley proposed this scheme in order to explain anomalous compass readings. He envisaged the atmosphere inside as luminous (and possibly inhabited) and speculated that escaping gas caused the Aurora Borealis. De Camp and Ley have claimed (in their Lands Beyond) that Leonhard Euler also proposed a hollow-Earth idea, getting rid of multiple shells and postulating an interior sun 1,000 km (620 mi) across to provide light to advanced inner-Earth civilization but they provide no references; indeed, Euler did not propose a hollow-Earth, but there is a slightly related thought experiment. De Camp and Ley also claim that Sir John Leslie expanded on Euler's idea, suggesting two central suns named Pluto and Proserpine (this was unrelated to the dwarf planet Pluto, which was discovered and named some time later). Leslie did propose a hollow Earth in his 1829 Elements of Natural Philosophy (pp. 449–453), but does not mention interior suns. Le Clerc Milfort in 1781 led a journey with hundreds of Creek Indians to a series of caverns near the Red River above the junction of the Mississippi river. According to Milfort the original Creek Indian ancestors are believed to have emerged out to the surface of the earth in ancient times from the caverns. Milfort also claimed the caverns they saw "could easily contain 15,000 – 20,000 families." 19th centuryIn 1818, John Cleves Symmes, Jr. suggested that the Earth consisted of a hollow shell about 1,300 km (810 mi) thick, with openings about 2,300 km (1,400 mi) across at both poles with 4 inner shells each open at the poles. Symmes became the most famous of the early Hollow Earth proponents, and Hamilton, Ohio, even has a monument to him and his ideas.[25] He proposed making an expedition to the North Pole hole, thanks to efforts of one of his followers, James McBride. United States president John Quincy Adams indicated he would approve of this but he left office before this could occur. The new President of the United States, Andrew Jackson, halted the attempt. Jeremiah Reynolds also delivered lectures on the "Hollow Earth" and argued for an expedition. Reynolds went on an expedition to Antarctica himself but missed joining the Great U.S. Exploring Expedition of 1838–1842, even though that venture was a result of his agitation. Though Symmes himself never wrote a book about his ideas, several authors published works discussing his ideas. McBride wrote Symmes' Theory of Concentric Spheres in 1826. It appears that Reynolds has an article that appeared as a separate booklet in 1827:Remarks of Symmes' Theory Which Appeared in the American Quarterly Review. In 1868, a professor W.F. Lyons published The Hollow Globe which put forth a Symmes-like Hollow Earth hypothesis, but failed to mention Symmes himself. Symmes' son Americus then published The Symmes' Theory of Concentric Spheres in 1878 to set the record straight. 20th centuryAn early twentieth-century proponent of hollow Earth, William Reed, wrote Phantom of the Poles in 1906. He supported the idea of a hollow Earth, but without interior shells or inner sun. The spiritualist writer Walburga, Lady Paget in her book Colloquies with an unseen friend (1907) was an early writer to mention the hollow earth theory. She claimed that cities exist beneath a desert, which is where the people of Atlantis moved. She said an entrance to the subterranean kingdom will be discovered in the 21st century. William Fairfield Warren, in his book, Paradise Found : The Cradle of the Human Race at the North Pole presented his belief that humanity originated on a continent in the Arctic called Hyperborea. This influenced some early hollow earth theorists. According to Marshall Gardner, both the Eskimo and Mongolian peoples had come from the interior of the earth by an entrance at the North pole. Marshall Gardner wrote A Journey to the Earth's Interior in 1913 and published an expanded edition in 1920. He placed an interior sun in the Earth and built a working model of the hollow Earth which he patented (U.S. Patent 1,096,102). Gardner made no mention of Reed, but did criticize Symmes for his ideas. About the same time Vladimir Obruchev wrote a novel Plutonia, in which the hollow Earth possessed an inner sun and was inhabited by prehistoric species. The interior was connected with the surface by an opening in the Arctic. The explorer Ferdynand Ossendowski wrote a book in 1922 titled Beasts, Men and Gods. Ossendowski said he was told about a subterranean kingdom that exists inside the earth. It was known to Buddhists as Agharti. George Papashvily in his Anything Can Happen (1940) claimed the discovery in the Caucasus mountains of a cavern containing human skeletons "with heads as big as bushel baskets" and an ancient tunnel leading to the centre of the earth. One man entered the tunnel and never returned. Novelist Lobsang Rampa in his book The Cave of the Ancients said an underground chamber system exists beneath the Himalayas of Tibet, filled with ancient machinery, records and treasure.[30]Michael Grumley a cryptozoologist has linked Bigfoot and other hominid cryptids to ancient tunnel systems underground. According to the ancient astronaut writer Peter Kolosimo a robot was seen entering a subterranean tunnel below a monastery in Mongolia. Kolosimo also claimed a light was seen from underground in Azerbaijan. Kolosimo and other ancient astronaut writers such as Robert Charroux linked these activities to UFOs. A book allegedly by a "Dr. Raymond Bernard" which appeared in 1964, The Hollow Earth, exemplifies the idea of UFOs coming from inside the earth. The book rehashes Reed and Gardner's ideas and ignores Symmes. Bernard also adds his own ideas: the Ring Nebula proves the existence of hollow worlds, as well as speculation on the fate of Atlantis and the origin of flying saucers. Bernard argued that the inhabitants of Atlantis took refuge in the Earth's interior before the city was destroyed in great calamity. It was Atlanteans who piloted the flying machines known in ancient India as vimanas and in the modern world as flying saucers.[33] After the US bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Bernard claimed, the Atlanteans became concerned that radioactive air might flow into the world's interior, and so some emerged in their flying saucers in an act of self-defense. An article by Martin Gardner revealed that Dr. Walter Siegmeister used the pseudonym `Bernard', but not until the publishing of Walter Kafton-Minkel's Subterranean Worlds: 100,000 years of dragons, dwarves, the dead, lost races & UFOs from inside the Earth, in 1989, did the full story of Bernard/Siegmeister become well known. Hollow earth theorists have claimed a number of different locations for the entrances which lead inside the earth. Other than the North and South poles, entrances in locations which have been cited include: Paris in France,[36]Staffordshire in England,[37]Montreal in Canada,[38]Hangchow in China,[39] and the Amazon Rainforest. Fantastic stories (supposedly believed as factual within fringe circles) have also circulated that Adolf Hitler and some of his followers escaped to hollow lands within the Earth after World War II via an entrance in Antarctica. Some writers have proposed building mega structures that have some similarities to a hollow Earth – see Dyson sphere, Globus Cassus. Concave hollow Earths An example of a concave hollow Earth. Humans live on the interior, with the universe in the center. Instead of saying that humans live on the outside surface of a hollow planet — sometimes called a "convex" hollow-Earth hypothesis — some have claimed humans live on the inside surface of a hollow spherical world, so that our universe itself lies in that world's interior. This has been called the "concave" hollow-Earth hypothesis. Cyrus Teed, a doctor from upstate New York, proposed such a concave hollow Earth in 1869, calling his scheme "Cellular Cosmogony".[41] Teed founded a group called the Koreshan Unity based on this notion, which he called Koreshanity. The main colony survives as a preserved Florida state historic site, at Estero, Florida, but all of Teed's followers have now died. Teed's followers claimed to have experimentally verified the concavity of the Earth's curvature, through surveys of the Florida coastline making use of "rectilineator" equipment. Several twentieth-century German writers, including Peter Bender, Johannes Lang, Karl Neupert, and Fritz Braun, published works advocating the hollow Earth hypothesis, or Hohlweltlehre. It has even been reported, although apparently without historical documentation, that Adolf Hitler was influenced by concave hollow-Earth ideas and sent an expedition in an unsuccessful attempt to spy on the British fleet by pointing infrared cameras up at the sky. The Egyptian mathematician Mostafa Abdelkader wrote several scholarly papers working out a detailed mapping of the concave Earth model. Kalopin, I think you're a nice guy and you have the creative makings of a sci-fi or adventure writer. As you can see from the Hollow Earth hypothesis examples above, the old folklore drifted into a victorian era adventure story which then later influenced some people in the 20th century into making serious claims way beyond what can be considered the rational application of scientific speculation. These people are as adamant about the accuracy of their hypothesis as you are about yours. "In one chapter of his book On the Wild Side (1992), Martin Gardner discusses the hollow Earth model articulated by Abdelkader. According to Gardner, this hypothesis posits that light rays travel in circular paths, and slow as they approach the center of the spherical star-filled cavern. No energy can reach the center of the cavern, which corresponds to no point a finite distance away from Earth in the widely accepted scientific cosmology. A drill, Gardner says, would lengthen as it traveled away from the cavern and eventually pass through the "point at infinity" corresponding to the center of the Earth in the widely accepted scientific cosmology. Supposedly no experiment can distinguish between the two cosmologies." "Gardner notes that "most mathematicians believe that an inside-out universe, with properly adjusted physical laws, is empirically irrefutable". Gardner rejects the concave hollow Earth hypothesis on the basis of Occam's Razor." Purportedly verifiable hypotheses of a "concave hollow Earth" need to be distinguished from a thought experiment which defines a coordinate transformation such that the interior of the Earth becomes "exterior" and the exterior becomes "interior". (For example, in spherical coordinates, let radius r go to R2/r where R is the Earth's radius.) The transformation entails corresponding changes to the forms of physical laws. This is not a hypothesis but an illustration of the fact that any description of the physical world can be equivalently expressed in more than one way.[47] As you can see Concave Hollow Earth sounds impressive but it has as much to do with reality as the story by Jules Verne. And it was rejected by the renowned pseudoscience sceptic Martin Gardner on the basis of Occam's Razor. Your own idea is more of a story and does not have the rigor to stand up against the myriad of scientific fields it involves and your idea cannot begin to compete against. I think you should change the direction of your efforts and focus your attention on developing characters and building out your idea into a sci-fi story, Your efforts will be better rewarded. And just in case you don't know who Martin Gardner is; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Gardner "Gardner was best known for creating and sustaining general interest in recreational mathematics for a large part of the 20th century, principally through his Scientific American "Mathematical Games" columns from 1956 to 1981 and his subsequent books collecting them. He was an uncompromising critic of fringe science and was a founding member of CSICOP, an organization devoted to debunking pseudoscience." 3
studiot Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 +1 for research and detail, arc. Just to add something about Martin Gardner. He was responsible for the book Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science (now in the Dover catalogue) "Examines various cults, quack systems, frauds, delusions which at various times have masqueraded as Science. Accounts of hollow earth fanaticslike Symmes; Velikovsky and the wandering planets; Bellamay and the theory of multiple moons from the list of topics are relevent here.
swansont Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 ! Moderator Note Seeing as your first line of defense was Eleven Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew From The Anti-Gravity Handbook I have to conclude that you have no actual science to discuss.
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