How to define speed of nonsimultaneity stream?

[DimaMazin]

Can we define speed of nonsimultaneity stream so?:

 

t'=(t-v*dx/c²)gamma

 

v_n=gamma(0 -v(v*dt))/(c²dt)

v_n=gamma*v²/c²

v_n is speed of nonsimultaneity stream

Edited January 30, 2016 by DimaMazin

[swansont]

What is meant by nonsimultaneity stream?

[DimaMazin]

What is meant by nonsimultaneity stream?

Speed of nonsimultaneity stream is quantity of change of relativity of simultaneity with object motion per second.

Nonsimultaneity stream is a change of relativity of simultaneity.

Edited January 30, 2016 by DimaMazin

[swansont]

Speed of nonsimultaneity stream is quantity of change of relativity of simultaneity with object motion per second.

Nonsimultaneity stream is a change of relativity of simultaneity.

Relativity of simultaneity is a concept. An offset in simultaneity would be a time. How can it be a speed? And how can it have no units?

[DimaMazin]

Relativity of simultaneity is a concept.

Shouldn't we define rate of change of the concept?

An offset in simultaneity would be a time.

It is.

How can it be a speed?

It has another stream of simultaneity and is connected with speed. Nonsimultaneity is traveling at speed but has speed of own change.

And how can it have no units?

 

It has units: second of nonsimultaneity per second s'/s

[swansont]

So it's not a speed.

 

Why is it not just gamma?

 

Your derivation makes no sense. The second equation does not follow from the first.

[DimaMazin]

 

Why is it not just gamma?

Gamma is factor of simultaneity of quantities of times.

My factor is factor of nonsimultaneity. Don't confuse apples with oranges.

 

Your derivation makes no sense. The second equation does not follow from the first.

I don't know what is sense for you at all. Let's consider is it correct or not:

For example v=-0.866 c

gamma=2

factor of nonsimultaneity=1.5

Then ,for example ,a rocket travels at v during 10second from you, it has crossed 2,596,202,686 m

You need to define nonsimultaneity. I simply can solve it 10*1.5=15 s'

Your solve is complex (0-(-0.866c)*2,596,202.686 / 299792458²)*2=15 s'

[swansont]

Gamma is factor of simultaneity of quantities of times.

My factor is factor of nonsimultaneity. Don't confuse apples with oranges.

It's inescapable. You sort of emit confusion.

 

I don't know what is sense for you at all. Let's consider is it correct or not:

For example v=-0.866 c

gamma=2

factor of nonsimultaneity=1.5

Then ,for example ,a rocket travels at v during 10second from you, it has crossed 2,596,202,686 m

You need to define nonsimultaneity. I simply can solve it 10*1.5=15 s'

Your solve is complex (0-(-0.866c)*2,596,202.686 / 299792458²)*2=15 s'

That's not the derivation, which is what I asked about (particularly how you get from t'=(t-v*dx/c²)gamma to v_n=gamma(0 -v(v*dt))/(c²dt)

 

it looks like you rewrote dx as v dt, but now you magically have a dt in the denominator as well, t is zero and t' has become v_n

 

 

but, since you worked an example, what if the rocket didn't start co-located with you? Its distance from you is not directly related to its speed. If gamma is 2, then the moving clock is running at half your rate. It accumulates 5 seconds to your 10. How is it always going to be 15 seconds different? If it's next to you, then that's obviously wrong.

[imatfaal]

It's inescapable. You sort of emit confusion...

 

[ot] Everytime I see this thread from the view of all the fora the software (and my settings) truncates the title to "How to define the speed of nons..." and my brain fills in the last word as nonsense. I think my subconscious might be right...[/ot]

[DimaMazin]

 

You sort of emit confusion.

I am wrong,but the thread isn't closed therefore I can try agen.

t₀=t₀'=0

I think nonsimultaneity is \t'-t\ (you can correct me)

v_n=\t'-t\ / t

\...\ is modulus

 

it looks like you rewrote dx as v dt

Correct.

dx of moving rocket is dt*v

dt=t-t₀=t

v_n=\(t-v²t/c²)gamma-t\ / t

v_n=\gamma*tc²-gamma*v²t-tc²\ / c²t

v_n=\gamma*c²-gamma*v²-c²\ /c²

For the rocket v_n=\2c²-0.75c² -c²\ / c²=0.25 s'/s

I am tired and I can't go on.

Edited February 5, 2016 by DimaMazin

[swansont]

I am wrong,but the thread isn't closed therefore I can try agen.

t₀=t₀'=0

I think nonsimultaneity is \t'-t\ (you can correct me)

v_n=\t'-t\ / t

\...\ is modulus

Correct.

dx of moving rocket is dt*v

dt=t-t₀=t

v_n=\(t-v²t/c²)gamma-t\ / t

v_n=\gamma*tc²-gamma*v²t-tc²\ / c²t

v_n=\gamma*c²-gamma*v²-c²\ /c²

For the rocket v_n=\2c²-0.75c² -c²\ / c²=0.25 s'/s

I am tired and I can't go on.

 

The math is still wrong

 

t'=(t-v*dx/c²)gamma

 

You can't pull the t to the other side without the gamma

 

You don't have a t'-t term. You have (t' - gamma*t)

[DimaMazin]

 

The math is still wrong

 

t'=(t-v*dx/c²)gamma

 

You can't pull the t to the other side without the gamma

 

You don't have a t'-t term. You have (t' - gamma*t)

Then v_n=(t'-gamma*t)/(gamma*t)

v_n=t'/(gamma*t) - 1

v_n=(t-v*dx/c²)/t -1

v_n=(tc²-v*dx)/c²t -1

v_n=(tc²-v*dx-c²t)/c²t

v_n= (-v*dx)/(c²t)

v_n= -v²/c²

So?

[DimaMazin]

 

Why is it not just gamma?

 

 

I have mistaken because didn't know that:

(t-v*dx/c²)gamma=t/gamma

[DimaMazin]

We can define nonsimultaneity stream in frame S as:

v_n=(t-t')/t=gamma-1

I think it works in kinetic energy formula:

KE=v_nmc²

[Mordred]

You know I've watched your threads for sometime now. I've yet to see any mathematics beyond a few basic formula manipulations of which Swansort has pointed out errors within.

 

I've been wondering "How long will it take for you to realize, you need a good understanding of the current model before reformulating your own???"

The math level I read in all your threads amount to pure gibberish.

[DimaMazin]

We can define nonsimultaneity stream in frame S as:

v_n=(t-t')/t=gamma-1

I have mistaken agen

v_n=(t-t')/t=(gamma-1)/gamma

[Strange]

I have mistaken agen

 

Something we can all agree on. You just have to remember to say this to yourself before posting in future.