Bill Angel Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) Here's the question that I think the moderator should ask the Presidential candidates at one of those debates: "If you are elected President, would you invite Vladimir Putin to address a Joint Session of Congress?"Also check out:U.S. Says Russia Directed Hacks to Influence Elections http://nyti.ms/2dLavGe Edited October 7, 2016 by Bill Angel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 New flash!! Trump is done! Listen to his 2005 tape talking about grabbing women by the private parts because it's allowed "if you're famous." This is an acute case of NPD (narcissistic personality disorder). When will the news begin to call it for what it is? At this moment 2:32pm Pacific Time this is a hot story on MSNBC and CNN, but nothing about it on Fox News, yet. It will be interesting to see how long before Fox News is forced to admit this breaking news bombshell. Join me now, let's watch Fox News until this story HAS to appear. Watch The Five pretend nothing happened yet. I think you are overestimating how much of an effect this is going to have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memammal Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I think you are overestimating how much of an effect this is going to have. The backlash within Republican Party ranks look pretty damaging. And so it should be; Trump is a walking, talking disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten oz Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) Trump has said many blantantly racist, nationalist, sexist, islamophobic, and etc things. The Republicans who finally stand up now must first explain why now and not before if they expect to be taken seriously. Otherwise they just look like rats abandoning a sinking ship. I commend the ones who never got on board to begin with like Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham, Jeb Bush, Bill Kristol, and etc. Edited October 8, 2016 by Ten oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbrush Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) This is as bad as it can get. He is boasting about sexual assault on women. That implies actions, not just talk as he claims. He is no better than Bill Cosby. As for the Evangelicals, he is bragging about grievous sin, adultery, and then "apologizes" by saying Bill Clinton has said worse, which makes this ok and merely a distraction. There are also LOTS of possible examples of this in the multitude of recordings at The Apprentice, but the custodian company is not responding. Probably they received a call from the GOP saying "Shut the hell up!" Funny is Trump starts his apology by saying he never said he was perfect!!! He just applauds for himself nonstop, calls himself brilliant, terrific, spectacular, genius, the only one that can fix things, but not perfect. Give me a break! He clearly has some kind of personality disorder, because his actions are pathological. It is called NPD. Edited October 8, 2016 by Airbrush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Trump has said many blantantly racist, nationalist, sexist, islamophobic, and etc things. The Republicans who finally stand up now must first explain why now and not before if they expect to be taken seriously. Otherwise they just look like rats abandoning a sinking ship. I commend the ones who never got on board to begin with like Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham, Jeb Bush, Bill Kristol, and etc. A lot of the same people who are criticizing this also criticized him for numerous other things he's said in the past. Until people start pulling endorsements, it's all meaningless. Right now, it's the same "What he said was abhorrent, but I still support his candidacy as the Republican nominee" routine we've been through at least five or six times now since the campaign officially started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 The worst part is that Trump says awful things about women, but the man who's almost certain to replace him if he steps down actually does awful things to women. Trump insults them. Pence puts them in danger: http://www.vox.com/identities/2016/10/6/13174852/mike-pence-trump-vp-debate-abortion-women-dangerous This media circus just distracts from that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) Airbrush, on 08 Oct 2016 - 1:50 PM, said: This is as bad as it can get. He is boasting about sexual assault on women. That implies actions, not just talk as he claims. He is no better than Bill Cosby. As for the Evangelicals, he is bragging about grievous sin, adultery, and then "apologizes" by saying Bill Clinton has said worse, which makes this ok and merely a distraction. There are also LOTS of possible examples of this in the multitude of recordings at The Apprentice, but the custodian company is not responding. Probably they received a call from the GOP saying "Shut the hell up!" Funny is Trump starts his apology by saying he never said he was perfect!!! He just applauds for himself nonstop, calls himself brilliant, terrific, spectacular, genius, the only one that can fix things, but not perfect. Give me a break! He clearly has some kind of personality disorder, because his actions are pathological. It is called NPD. Not just simple amorality? What are his latest quotes "If you are a star you can do whatever you want" (or words to that effect ) ? Combined with salesmanship =manipulation . Does he actually need to be a psychopath? Does he have the streak of pushing boundaries as well? "I got away with that ,let's try this now" Are his base ever going to suspect that they have been manipulated? They think his motives are pure? He is not a politician? Edited October 8, 2016 by geordief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbrush Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) "Does he actually need to be a psychopath?" His behavior is pathological, but that does not mean psychopath. Those are 2 different things. His personality is clearly, demonstrably, disordered. Imagine how these very recent revelations are impacting his wife? his children? his closest friends? They are certainly offended, but can't say anything as a subjugated class. And Trump has the gall, in his initial tweeted "apology" to say "I apologize IF I offended anyone..." as if most people in Trumplalaland are not offended. An apology is not adequate. He has confessed to a series of crimes, with great enthusiasm, to have committed sexual assault upon multiple women. He doesn't get to just apologize that away as a "distraction". That is a pattern of criminal behavior, not a gaff or mistake. Edited October 8, 2016 by Airbrush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 An apology is not adequate. He has confessed to a series of crimes, with great enthusiasm, to have committed sexual assault upon multiple women. He doesn't get to just apologize that away as a "distraction". That is a pattern of criminal behavior, not a gaff or mistake. A large swath of his supporters do not view that as a crime. They are satisfied with is apology (perhaps it was unnecessary for them). The apologists are already out, saying that what he said is business as usual for men. For that group perhaps it's true, and they have no idea that it's not how the rest of us behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Maybe tomorrow we'll see Giuliani and Christie and similar surrogates floating across the Sunday morning political circuit telling us all how he's a sexual genius since that's what they did last week...claiming that his ability to lose a billion dollars in a single year while operating a casino (you know the old saying? ... the house always loses? oh wait, hmmm...) made him a business genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutrinosalad Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 The worst part is that Trump says awful things about women, but the man who's almost certain to replace him if he steps down actually does awful things to women. Trump insults them. Pence puts them in danger: http://www.vox.com/identities/2016/10/6/13174852/mike-pence-trump-vp-debate-abortion-women-dangerous This media circus just distracts from that fact. The abortion debate is one of the things that perfectly highlights why American politics can be so frustrating. Both Republicans and Democrats use abortion as a wedge issue in order to fire up their base while simultaneously not having any overarching desire to really push the needle in either direction in any significant way. You can defund Planned Parenthood, but that does not legally negate Roe v Wade. Women who want an abortion will still be able to get an abortion even if it is harder to do so. The interesting thing is the factional aspect of the debate. Ultimately, taking a factional approach to abortion does not even make sense. The reality is that women should have access to abortion for the first trimester while in the final trimester, you have a fetus that is essentially becoming a fully formed child that could survive independently of the woman's body that should have some level of human rights. In the second trimester that is a grey area. Roe v Wade actually lays this all out in a logical format and it should have been the final word on the discussion. Yet, here we are, taking sides on this issue even though the seminal case laid out the issue in a pretty rational format. It just goes to show how our politicians use wedge issues as a way to fire up their base in order to maintain power rather than solve problems pertinent to Americans today. Here's a little blurb on Roe v Wade: While acknowledging that the right to abortion was not unlimited, Justice Blackmun, speaking for the Court, created a trimester framework to balance the fundamental right to abortion with the government's two legitimate interests: protecting the mother's health and protecting the "potentiality of human life." The trimester framework addressed when a woman's fundamental right to abortion would be absolute, and when the state's interests would become compelling. In the first trimester, when it was believed that the procedure was safer than childbirth, the Court left the decision to abort completely to the woman and her physician.[36] From approximately the end of the first trimester until fetal viability, the state's interest in protecting the health of the mother would become "compelling."[37] At that time, the state could regulate the abortion procedure if the regulation "reasonably relate[d] to the "preservation and protection of maternal health."[38] At the point of viability, which the Court believed to be in the third trimester, the state's interest in "potential life" would become compelling, and the state could regulate abortion to protect "potential life."[37] At that point, the state could even forbid abortion so long as it made an exception to preserve the life or health of the mother.[39] The Court added that the primary right being preserved in the Roe decision was that of the physician to practice medicine freely absent a compelling state interest – not women's rights in general.[40] In 1992, however, the plurality of Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, David Souter, and Anthony Kennedy made a subtle move away from the physician's-rights approach of Roe and toward a patient's-rights approach in Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey. The plurality in Casey, explicitly confirming that women had a constitutional right to abortion and further upholding the "essential holding" of Roe, stated that women had a right to choose abortion before viability and that this right could not be unduly interfered with by the state.[41] They asserted that this right was rooted in the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.[42] From this wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#Supreme_Court_decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophiolite Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 In England we had a similar problem with Charles I. Perhaps you can find a more humane solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Tend to agree with you, Capayan, just need to clarify that Pence making life more dangerous for women under his charge extends beyond the sole issue of abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbrush Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Trump is famous for his many examples of psychological projection. "Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting...." "...the projection of one's unconscious qualities onto others is a common process in everyday life...." "Projection tends to come to the fore in normal people at times of personal or political crisis but is more commonly found in the neurotic or psychotic in personalities functioning at a primitive level as in narcissistic personality disorder or borderline personality disorder..." "Projection may help a fragile ego reduce anxiety, but at the cost of a certain dissociation, as in dissociative identity disorder...." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection Edited October 10, 2016 by Airbrush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Maybe tomorrow we'll see Giuliani and Christie and similar surrogates floating across the Sunday morning political circuit telling us all how he's a sexual genius That should have been one of the questions in the debate Maybe he will write a sexual seduction self help book for billionaires. Edited October 10, 2016 by geordief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbrush Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Caution: When you see this picture of Trump grasping his chair, it will be hard to get it out of your mind. http://www.gq.com/story/donald-turmp-likes-his-chair Edited October 10, 2016 by Airbrush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Caution: When you see this picture of Trump grasping his chair, it will be hard to get it out of your mind. http://www.gq.com/story/donald-turmp-likes-his-chair Seems innocent enough to me. Just holding back a sneeze , surely? (impeccable manners) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten oz Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Tend to agree with you, Capayan, just need to clarify that Pence making life more dangerous for women under his charge extends beyond the sole issue of abortion. Trump is so terrible that in comparison Pence seems intelligent and put together. Pence is a climate change and evolution denier who also supports homophobic and aggressively sexist policies. Neither Pence or Trump have any business holding public office in my opinion. Trump complained during the second debate that as a Senator Hillary failed to change the tax code and provide universal healthcare yet the failure of change on those policies is exactly because of politicians like Pence. The GOP blocks policy and works across the country to undercut those policies which slip through then turn around and blame others for why government doesn't work better. Pence is every bit as divisive, sarcastic, dishonest, manipulative, and sexist as Trump. The only difference is that when Pence speaks he can contain a single thought within the scope of a single topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 When he lies, he's sweet and folksy about it. Makes it okay! He also refused to accept the link between cigarettes and cancer well into the 2000s, tried to force gay conversion therapy, and signed a law mandating funerals for fetuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbrush Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) Has anyone heard the news point out something about Trump's recent so-called "apology" for his lewd remarks on tape? In the 2nd debate Anderson Cooper asked Trump about his boasting of sexual assault if in fact he actually did the things he boasted about? Trump could not answer it directly. He went on and on about how nobody respects women more than he does. Anderson had to ask Trump 3 times if he actually committed the assaults he bragged about. Finally Trump said "No" that he did not do the things he boasted about.....as if it was an afterthought! What is the matter with Trump? I thought as a skilled entertainer he would be better at lying than that. If he really never acted out what he boasted about then anyone with any brain in their head would begin their "apology" by stating up front he never did the things he boasted about. Instead he made it appear like he actually did what he boasted about. Amazing idiot. Now all the Trump surrogates are explaining away Trump's boasting about habitual sexual assault that it is just "locker room talk". That makes it OK. It is normal for men to casually boast about fictitious, habitual sexual assault in locker rooms!! It seems to me that the Trump supporters that easily brush away Trump's predatory behavior must have grown up in a house where the father talked that way so it seems normal to them?! Edited October 12, 2016 by Airbrush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten oz Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Has anyone heard the news point out something about Trump's recent so-called "apology" for his lewd remarks on tape? In the 2nd debate Anderson Cooper asked Trump about his boasting of sexual assault if in fact he actually did the things he boasted about? Trump could not answer it directly. He went on and on about how nobody respects women more than he does. Anderson had to ask Trump 3 times if he actually committed the assaults he bragged about. Finally Trump said "No" that he did not do the things he boasted about.....as if it was an afterthought! What is the matter with Trump? I thought as a skilled entertainer he would be better at lying than that. If he really never acted out what he boasted about then anyone with any brain in their head would begin their "apology" by stating up front he never did the things he boasted about. Instead he made it appear like he actually did what he boasted about. Amazing idiot. I think the notion that Trump is a skilled businessman and entertaining is a reflection of the denial our society has about privilage. People keep insisting that Trump must be good at business due to his success and a talented spokesman. Society has a tough time acknowledging that a person can have so much wiuthout talent. We link success to talent/ability in a more direct way than it exists. The world in unfortunately not that fair. Some people do simply have more and get more just cause. Trump inherited hundreds of millions and was groomed his whole life to in the families real estate business. His lawyers, accountants, logistical operators,and etc manage the details. Trump is just a spoiled brat that takes credit for things gifted to him and his wealth creates a facade of intelligence which doesn't actually exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbrush Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 That is true. I have always believed deeply that for every person that has great success in any arena of life, there are at least 10 others that would have done just as well if they had the same opportunities. Many others are just as smart as Trump is, but they are considered "losers" by Trump because they did not have the good fortune in life that he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I don't understand how he gets away with the passive-aggressive, manipulative use of "...but that's OK!" after he lie/whines about something somebody did. Sitcom writers have been using that schtick to point out manipulation in teenagers, mother-in-laws, and conniving bosses for decades. How is it Trump's base doesn't see it? "Hillary has been, I've had lots of people tell me, Hillary is colluding with Martians, rapist immigrant Martians crossing the asteroid belt to form illegal trade partnerships to take our jobs. But that's OK...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten oz Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I don't understand how he gets away with the passive-aggressive, manipulative use of "...but that's OK!" after he lie/whines about something somebody did. Sitcom writers have been using that schtick to point out manipulation in teenagers, mother-in-laws, and conniving bosses for decades. How is it Trump's base doesn't see it? "Hillary has been, I've had lots of people tell me, Hillary is colluding with Martians, rapist immigrant Martians crossing the asteroid belt to form illegal trade partnerships to take our jobs. But that's OK...." They don't care. The same Republican base who supported W Bush and the Iraq War now support a guy who lies about never supporting the Iraq War and calls Bush a terrible president. He also insults the last two Republican nominees for president, whom his base also supported, and still they support him. They just want a win and if they can't have one they at least want the selfish condolence of hurling insults. Trump's finger pointing, lurking behind Clinton, threatening to imprison Clinton, and name calling of Clinton in the second debate was as satisfying to his base as him winning the election could be. It is everything they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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