Donald Trump

[Delta1212]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-hypocrisy-on-intelligence-briefings/2016/12/19/8b1fbed0-c5f4-11e6-bf4b-2c064d32a4bf_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.a522c4d8132e

 

Trump is just following in the footsteps of Mr. Obama.

Trump is getting his Daily Intelligence Reports once a week.

 

That makes for approximately a 14% attendance rate, for comparison.

[waitforufo]

Well its now semi official.

 

 

So what will be the next step for the NeverTrump people? The electoral votes are not counted in congress until January 6. Do you think the NeverTrump people will try to shut down congress on 1/6/17 or is their next step to make fools of themselves during the inauguration?

[swansont]

 

Trump is just following in the footsteps of Mr. Obama.

 

 

No, he's not. This is just another BS false equivalence.

 

This has to do with NUMBERS. Some NUMBERS are bigger than others. So, when Trump skips 6/7 of his briefings, that number is bigger than the ~1/2 that Obama "skipped". And that "1/2"assessment is right-wing propaganda, since Obama chose to read written briefings rather than have people do a presentation.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-bogus-claim-that-obama-skips-his-intelligence-briefings/2012/09/22/100cb63e-04fc-11e2-8102-ebee9c66e190_blog.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.4c207f9aee04

 

If you can find a credible source that says Trump reads his briefings as Obama did (or that he reads much at all), fine. Let's have it. But if not, then this is just more BS.

[The Bobster]

Fascinating that this whole board is a political minority.

[zapatos]

Fascinating that this whole board is a political minority.

You've misunderstood what is going on.

[waitforufo]

 

 

No, he's not. This is just another BS false equivalence.

 

This has to do with NUMBERS. Some NUMBERS are bigger than others. So, when Trump skips 6/7 of his briefings, that number is bigger than the ~1/2 that Obama "skipped". And that "1/2"assessment is right-wing propaganda, since Obama chose to read written briefings rather than have people do a presentation.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-bogus-claim-that-obama-skips-his-intelligence-briefings/2012/09/22/100cb63e-04fc-11e2-8102-ebee9c66e190_blog.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.4c207f9aee04

 

If you can find a credible source that says Trump reads his briefings as Obama did (or that he reads much at all) then this is just more BS.

No, this has to do with skipping intelligence reports. Mr. Obama skipped them. I don't know how many Mr. Obama skipped while president elect. Do you? Besides skipping such meetings while president elect is of little consequence because there is still a president.

 

You know, you need to get over the fact fact the Ms. Clinton lost. 306 to 223. There are some NUMBERS for you. Your hope that electors would defect Mr. Trump end with more electors defecting or attempting to defect from Ms. Clinton.

 

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/19/506188169/donald-trump-poised-to-secure-electoral-college-win-with-few-surprises

 

 

 

Not only did it not happen, but more electors tried to defect from Hillary Clinton Monday than from Trump, by a count of eight to two. Three Democratic electors in Maine, Minnesota, and Colorado tried to vote for candidates other than Clinton. The electors' votes, however, were disallowed because of state rules binding them to the statewide popular vote winner.

 

So again, what's next? Protest on 1/6/17 with the hope of shutting down the certification of the electoral college vote in congress, or a protest during the inauguration? Your never ending temper tantrum must continue. I'm enjoying it to much to have it end.

[swansont]

No, this has to do with skipping intelligence reports. Mr. Obama skipped them. I don't know how many Mr. Obama skipped while president elect. Do you?

Information was posted to fill in your gap in understanding of this issue. Did you not read it?

 

Besides skipping such meetings while president elect is of little consequence because there is still a president.

 

You know, you need to get over the fact fact the Ms. Clinton lost. 306 to 223. There are some NUMBERS for you. Your hope that electors would defect Mr. Trump end with more electors defecting or attempting to defect from Ms. Clinton.

Sorry, what do 306 and 223 have to do with intelligence briefings? Nothing? Just another red herring from BS mountain, moving the goalposts? Got it.

[waitforufo]

Sorry, what do 306 and 223 have to do with intelligence briefings?

Those numbers determine who is entitled to receive those intelligence briefings.

[DrmDoc]

Those numbers determine who is entitled to receive those intelligence briefings.

Why are you a supporter of Mr. Trump and how does his approach to governance, given his cabinet choices, specifically reflect or support your interests? Do you sincerely believe that a president-elect should be skipping any intelligence briefings before being sworn to office? It's my understanding that even Obama took every briefing offered before taking his oath of office. Why isn't Donald's refusal an issue with you? Do you think a person who set-up and managed a shell corporation for Russian should be our Secretary of State? Do you honestly believe as Mr. Trump that the Russians did not interfere in our elections? I'm most interested in your answer to the initial questions of whether you believe the president-elect truly represents you.

[Phi for All]

Why are you a supporter of Mr. Trump and how does his approach to governance, given his cabinet choices, specifically reflect or support your interests? Do you sincerely believe that a president-elect should be skipping any intelligence briefings before being sworn to office? It's my understanding that even Obama took every briefing offered before taking his oath of office. Why isn't Donald's refusal an issue with you? Do you think a person who set-up and managed a shell corporation for Russian should be our Secretary of State? Do you honestly believe as Mr. Trump that the Russians did not interfere in our elections? I'm most interested in your answer to the initial questions of whether you believe the president-elect truly represents you.

 

A couple other good questions are "Do you approve of Trump's forced changes to the Republican platform regarding Russia and Putin?", and "Did that change represent your feelings in the matter?"

[John Cuthber]

Does anyone know why Trump's opening lines of his first speech were lies?

[Delta1212]

Does anyone know why Trump's opening lines of his first speech were lies?

Begin as you mean to continue?

[Phi for All]

Begin as you mean to continue?

 

It's a signal to all of us. This is going to be 4 years of watching Trump swindle the country, listening to the GOP justify why he's a better representative for the US than Obama, and learning just how petty this stain of a human being can be. We'll be seeing and hearing plenty of evil, but will be expected not to say anything about it.

[swansont]

Those numbers determine who is entitled to receive those intelligence briefings.

 

Whose job it is to take those briefings. And failing to do so, like he's failing at so many other things about his new job.

[steveupson]

 

This has to do with NUMBERS. Some NUMBERS are bigger than others.

I imagine that there's a closet with 20,000 pairs of shoes in our future.

[Ten oz]

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It's a signal to all of us. This is going to be 4 years of watching Trump swindle the country, listening to the GOP justify why he's a better representative for the US than Obama, and learning just how petty this stain of a human being can be. We'll be seeing and hearing plenty of evil, but will be expected not to say anything about it.

After Shelby County vs Holder Conservatives changed voting laws in 14 states that were meant to make it more difficult for minorities who typically vote democrat to vote vote. A look at key states show the effectiveness of this. In MI voter turnout in Detriot and Flint was down despite the rest of the state being up. Similar result in PA with Philadelphia down while other areas were up. And in NC the GOP is taking not so subtle steps to ensure gains they have made will continue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_County_v._Holder

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/republican-voting-rights-supreme-court-id

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/opinion/voter-suppression-in-north-carolina.html

http://whttp://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/see_how_every_michigan_county.htmlww.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/republican-voting-rights-supreme-court-id

 

So I don't see how the Democrats win in 4yrs? I personally feel that complains about Hillary Clintons campaign strategy or charisma miss the mark. She got nearly 3 million more votes and in key states like WI was leading in the polls by an average of 7 points. Allsigns pointed to a win, she lost, and now people are rushing to put it on her character, which states she visited, how the campaign spent more and etc. I think it is deeper than that. The playing field isn't level.

 

Then there is the media. The media loves Trump! The media has been in a death spiral for years and Trump has been a shot in the arm for them. Everything he say is click bait. Everything he does goes viral. Running live feeds of empty poduims ahead of a Trump speech gets ratings. Then you have groups like the Sinclair Corp. who just straight up cut a deal with Trump.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-campaign-sinclair-broadcasting-jared-kushner-232764

 

I see no push back by the Democratic Party. They aren't making noise about voter supression and have no answer for the media. We could very easily end up with 8yrs of Trump. As a candidate Trump toyed with not attending debates, used illegally obtained emails in campiagn adds, cut deals with media outlets for preferential treatment, and threaten to imprison his rival when he won. That was powerless candidate Trump. As a POTUS it will be worse. In 2020 he will dictate debate schedules (assuming he allows them), will use our intelligence aencies against his opponents, bully media outlets, and will have the ability to pressure law enforcement agencies to investigate his oppoenents. You think the FBI announcing more investigations a week before the election was bad. Just wait till 2020.

[swansont]

 

It's a signal to all of us. This is going to be 4 years of watching Trump swindle the country, listening to the GOP justify why he's a better representative for the US than Obama, and learning just how petty this stain of a human being can be. We'll be seeing and hearing plenty of evil, but will be expected not to say anything about it.

 

 

And ignoring objections to the things they have harped on for the last 8 years: being true to Constitutional ideals and a rising deficit from the tax cuts they plan to pass.

[Ten oz]

 

 

And ignoring objections to the things they have harped on for the last 8 years: being true to Constitutional ideals and a rising deficit from the tax cuts they plan to pass.

Trump's candidacy has already proved that objections made by Republicans over the last 8yrs were only ever meant to obstruct and were never in good faith or the beat interest of the country. And it worked! No penalty for purposefully undermining the governments ability to function for partisan gain.

[Airbrush]

Did anyone miss this prediction by comedian, Adam Carolla, in 2008, that Trump would be president 8 years later? Then Adam does some Trump:

 

Edited December 25, 2016 by Airbrush

[CharonY]

I am not sure whether it has been posted yet, but I came across PPP's national polls with rather, ehm, interesting findings:

 

-67% of Trump voters say that unemployment increased during the Obama administration, to only 20% who say it decreased.

- All Americans: 41% increased vs 48% decreased, 10% uncertain

Note: it decreased

 

 

- 41% of Trump voters say that the stock market went up during the Obama administration. 39% say it went down, and another 19% say they're not sure.

- All Americans: 60% went up; 23% gone down, 17% uncertain

Note: it went up, massively.

 

- 40% of Trump voters think he won the popular vote, 49% think it was Clinton, 11% unsure

- All Americans: 73% Clinton, 19% Trump, 7% unsure

Note: Clinton won by ca. 2.7 million

 

-60% of Trump voters think that millions voted illegaly for Clinton, 18% don't think so, 22% unsure

-All Americans: 32% (!) think there were illegal votes, 55% don't think so, 14% unsure

[Ten oz]

Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio call sanctions against Russia in response to the cyber attacks during the election "long overdue". I question the Senates sincerity on this issue. When concerned about Benghazi and the protection of classified materials they held hearings and put high ranking gov't officials like former Sec or State Hillary Clinton and the FBI Director James Comey under oath and questioned them.

 

Donald Trump continues to say he doesn't believe Russia was involved, had a pro-Russian political party beneficiary as part of his campaign (see link below), and clearly was the candidate Russian hackers sought to help yet the investigations aren't looking into Trump. Trump's campaign servers, the RNC's servers, finiancial records, texes, and etc aren't under review. Trump isn't being asked to testify. If we believe Russia did this than shouldn't we make sure Trump was not in anyway in on it??

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html

[Memammal]

More or less according to Mr. Trump..."in the age of computers and all that, we cannot tell for sure" (re cyber terrorism, hacking, etc)...lol.

[geordief]

We know Trump has his faults. Is one of them the wish to not confront reality?

 

That would be one hell of a weakness if true.

 

Or is it simply that he would like to present reality in a way that serves his interest?

 

Does he really believe that the US agencies which have judged Russia responsible for this hacking have misinterpreted their information or have adopted a biased approach?

 

Or is he being completely cynical or ,God forbid hiding his own involvement ?

 

Why has he taken so long to apprise himself of their findings?

Edited December 30, 2016 by geordief

[Ten oz]

We know Trump has his faults. Is one of them the wish to not confront reality?

 

That would be one hell of a weakness if true.

 

Or is it simply that he would like to present reality in a way that serves his interest?

 

Does he really believe that the US agencies which have judged Russia responsible for this hacking have misinterpreted their information or have adopted a biased approach?

 

Or is he being completely cynical or ,God forbid hiding his own involvement ?

 

Why has he taken so long to apprise himself of their findings?

 

If Trump ignored information provided by our intelligence community during the Election but it benefited him to is that equal to willfully accepting help from Russia to win the election? If so does that compromise him to an extent that should be disqualifying for office?

[geordief]

@Ten Oz Yes

,morally speaking.

Is his game plausible deniability?