Mike Smith Cosmos Posted March 9, 2016 Author Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) Mike, you've already been told that Fermion vs Boson has nothing to do with this, and that spin is not an issue. Bringing these questions up again isn't going to change the answer. I appreciate to some extent what you say here . But surely ( unless I have been teleported into another Universe , ) Gravity waves have to do with Gravity Gravity has to do with mass . Mass has to do with ( one sort of the particles or another ) .i won't say the words or I might get them wrong . The difference in the spin type ( integer or half integer ) makes the particle type . And Spin is the subject , I just brought up . I don't get , where I am going adrift in my logic ? Unless I have been shipped to another Universe? Either that or you are winding me up ! Mike Edited March 9, 2016 by Mike Smith Cosmos
Strange Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) Gravity waves have to do with Gravity Gravity has to do with mass . Mass has to do with ( one sort of the particles or another ) .i won't say the words or I might get them wrong . I don't get , where I am going adrift in my logic ? I have seen this sort of logic quite a few times ending up with with people thinking that the Higgs boson, for example, must be the graviton. But it just is not a logical connection. I am struggling to explain why, partly because it so obviously isn't! I think the fallacy is assuming that if A causes B then B must be a cause of A. Perhaps this will help: Nutrition is to do with food Food is to with peanut butter Therefore nutrition is made of peanut butter. Basically, your chain of logic is backwards, it should be: Particles (both fermions and bosons) make up matter Matter has mass (because of the mass of those particles and the energy binding them together Mass causes gravity Changing mass can cause gravitational waves. You can't go backwards and say that therefore gravity is made of particles. Edited March 9, 2016 by Strange
swansont Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 I appreciate to some extent what you say here . But surely ( unless I have been teleported into another Universe , ) Gravity waves have to do with Gravity Gravity has to do with mass . Mass has to do with ( one sort of the particles or another ) .i won't say the words or I might get them wrong . The difference in the spin type ( integer or half integer ) makes the particle type . And Spin is the subject , I just brought up . I don't get , where I am going adrift in my logic ? Unless I have been shipped to another Universe? Either that or you are winding me up ! Mike You've been told repeatedly that both fermions and bosons can have mass. (There are some massless bosons, too) They both contribute to gravity. Their spin is not an issue. Fermion vs Boson is not an issue here. There is no connection. Stop trying to invent one.
Phi for All Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 I don't get , where I am going adrift in my logic ? ! Moderator Note MikeSmithCosmos, the problem isn't in your logic, it's in your reading skills. This problem has been dealt with repeatedly in this thread, but you keep dredging up the same questions phrased slightly differently. You need to re-read what's been said, and move ON! If you aren't going to listen, why are you engaging in discussion? You seem to be dragging everything out until someone says something you like, and that's no way to learn. Mercy closing this thread.
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