"Chaos" theory (split from The Paradox)

[super_zhuk]

Hello,

 

paradox will always exist in the modern physics because it is based on the arithmetic rule - on the energy conservation Law.

 

According to Godel Incompleteness Theorem such Theory contains a paradox if it is complete.

(the formulation of Godel theorem - theory that contains rules of arithmetic can not be both consistent and complete).

 

Physics is complete because it can always answer for any sentence A if it is valid or it is negation is valid.

(Physics always knows what is the truth).

 

Hence Physics is inconsistent. It means it contains a paradox.

 

There are so many paradoxes in physics, starting from Zeno's paradox.

But there was always "good" guy who found a reasonable explanation and built more theory to solve the paradox.

But after some time there is another paradox....

This leads to chaos finally.

 

The prove is given in the attached PDF file. In the file the proof is given for Sociology, but as one can see the same applies for Physics or any other Theory that is based on arithmetics. For example, Computer Science since it studies Computers and computers work is based on processors but processors work is based on arithmetic.

 

In the file it is noted that the same questions about paradox and about the sense and nonsense were already studied by Ludvig Wittgenstein in his Tractatus.

 

People should understand that if there is a paradox then it means that the theory is inconsistent and hence it is wrong.

Because the question if it is true or false has no sense in such theory. => Theory has no value except creating a chaos in the knowledge

 

http://vixra.org/pdf/1601.0192v1.pdf

Philosophical system Chaos Theory.pdf

Edited March 20, 2016 by super_zhuk

[Phi for All]

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Also, please give a synopsis on your paper. Few here trust vixra as a source of peer review, and it's part of our rules that discussions should be able to take place without going elsewhere, downloading a PDF, or watching a video.

 

And please support your idea with evidence. Math would be very helpful as well. Good luck with disproving physics.

[studiot]

 

Because the question if it is true or false has no sense in such theory. => Theory has no value except creating a chaos in the knowledge

 

 

Please explain what this means?

[Bignose]

People should understand that if there is a paradox then it means that the theory is inconsistent and hence it is wrong.

I have doubts about this right here. I feel it is a misinterpretation of Godel's work. He states that there are statements in a system that are true, but not formally provable. And that there will be statements in systems that will never be able to be formally proven, hence systems will be 'incomplete'.

 

This says nothing about the rightness or wrongness of them, and in fact, pretty explicitly says that; 'statements that are true, but not provable.'

 

This also is a question about tossing out the baby with the bathwater. Just because it cannot be formally shown that every single statement be true, does not it isn't useful. I for one, don't want to remove arithmetic from physics, just because there are some statements that can be built on the axioms of arithmetic that can't be proved. The stuff that we can prove is supremely useful. Unless you have an alternative that is as useful, let's not be in such a hurry to bulldoze the house until we are also ready to rebuild.

[Strange]

According to Godel Incompleteness Theorem such Theory contains a paradox if it is complete.

(the formulation of Godel theorem - theory that contains rules of arithmetic can not be both consistent and complete).

 

Goedel's theorem applies to formal systems, not theories. This, by itself, makes the rest of your posts irrelevant.

 

Also, Goedel's theorem says nothing about paradoxes.

 

Physics is complete because it can always answer for any sentence A if it is valid or it is negation is valid.

(Physics always knows what is the truth).

 

Physics does not have the answer to all questions. For example, we don't know how to form a theory of quantum gravity. So for many questions, the only answer is "don't know".

 

On the other hand, physics can give multiple answers to a question. For example Newton's theory of gravitation describes gravity as a force that acts instantly over any distant. GR describes it as the geometry of space-time that propagates at the speed of light.

 

Physics doesn't deal with truth.

 

Also, physics does not prove anything, thus Goedel's theorem is irrelevant.

 

 

Hence Physics is inconsistent. It means it contains a paradox.

 

Physics is incomplete (as is all science) but not for the reasons you claim. It is because

 

There are so many paradoxes in physics, starting from Zeno's paradox.

 

Zeno's paradox has nothing to do with physics. Also, the apparent paradox is solved in modern mathematics.

 

But there was always "good" guy who found a reasonable explanation and built more theory to solve the paradox.

But after some time there is another paradox....

This leads to chaos finally.

 

This sounds like a crude description of the way science works. Which is exactly why science is so successful despite the fact we know it is always incomplete.

 

 

The prove is given in the attached PDF file.

 

I can't be bothered to read something by someone who:

a) Doesn't know what Goedel's theorem is

b) Doesn't know what science is

c) Doesn't know how science works