The future of Ukraine

[Moreno]

Majority of Ukrainians want Ukraine to become a developed, civilized European country. But development of this country is going slowly staggered by internal and external problems. What do you think about implementing some kind of "Marshal Plan" for Ukraine under which developed countries would take most of administration in Ukraine in their hands and develop new administrative system for this country? Also Ukraine may form some kind of Confederacy with more developed country. From what I know about Ukrainians, the vast majority of them would agree to live under foreign administration if it will help bring down corruption and increase level standards drastically.

[ajb]

I thought that Russia was slowly doing just that?

[Strange]

I thought that Russia was slowly doing just that?

 

Just what I was thinking. That is hardly going to bring down the levels of corruption.

[Moreno]

I thought that Russia was slowly doing just that?

 

Russia currently has too much of its own problems to rise up entire Ukraine. Crimea alone gives them troubles more they need, already. Ukraine needs union with one of the powerful developed countries. Examples of such unions in the past: Austro-Hungarian Empire.

[Sensei]

Professor Balcerowicz, nominated to Nobel prize, Milton Friedman Prize winner, joined Ukrainian government, week ago:
http://uatoday.tv/politics/architect-of-polish-reforms-joins-ukrainian-government-636101.html

"Leszek Balcerowicz was the Polish Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance in the 90s.

He is known for implementing a "shock therapy", the economic reforms in Poland often referred to as the Balcerowicz Plan."

 

To large part of Polish "low class" not well educated people, this might sound very controversial.

As he fired the majority of Polish workers in '90, leaving just those required to sustain production, and increased productivity.

While fired suffered from these movements, some to this day.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Sensei

[DimaMazin]

 

Russia currently has too much of its own problems to rise up entire Ukraine. Crimea alone gives them troubles more they need, already. Ukraine needs union with one of the powerful developed countries. Examples of such unions in the past: Austro-Hungarian Empire.

All Ukrainians should start to study English and science. Then they can cause more trust to them.

[MigL]

Russia ( or rather V. Putin ) wants the Ukraine back, if not totally then at least under its influence.

Western Europe is reluctant to lend support to the Ukraine because they depend on Russian gas ( and other economic ties ).

Ukraine is between a rock and a hard place.

[Sensei]

All Ukrainians should start to study English and science.

Studying English and science is advice good for everybody, not just Ukrainians.

 

Then they can cause more trust to them.

Poorly educated people can be easily stupefied, and manipulated. By clerics, priests, imams, clerks or government.

[Moreno]

Professor Balcerowicz, nominated to Nobel prize, Milton Friedman Prize winner, joined Ukrainian government, week ago:

http://uatoday.tv/politics/architect-of-polish-reforms-joins-ukrainian-government-636101.html

 

"Leszek Balcerowicz was the Polish Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance in the 90s.

He is known for implementing a "shock therapy", the economic reforms in Poland often referred to as the Balcerowicz Plan."

 

To large part of Polish "low class" not well educated people, this might sound very controversial.

As he fired the majority of Polish workers in '90, leaving just those required to sustain production, and increased productivity.

While fired suffered from these movements, some to this day.

 

And recently Polish rock musician was assigned as a chief of Ukrainian railways, ha-ha!

 

Also they have economy minister who is an American citizen and minister of finance who is a Lithuanian citizen.

 

Honestly, I don't think that assigning some particular foreigners will change entire Ukrainian system. It would require more complex measures...

 

I think that relative success of Poland in economic development is mostly explained by external reasons. EU countries came to decision to invest in Poland and build some factories there because they need this country for strategic reasons. However, those new automotive plants that Germans build in Poland could hardly outstrip decline of industry which was created during times of "communism".

Edited April 30, 2016 by Moreno

[Sensei]

And recently Polish rock musician was assigned as a chief of Ukrainian railways, ha-ha!

You concentrated on hobby of that person, to discredit him. Why? Manager can't play music in his free time? While his wikipedia page says:

"He graduated in political science at the University of Silesia in Katowice and postgraduate MBA , validated by the Rotterdam School of Management Erasmus University [ 1 ] .

 

He worked as director of sales , " the Silesian Tribune " [ 2 ] . He was the director of the office of marketing and promotion of the Polish Post has worked in management positions in the company PKO Polish Bank , among others, as managing director of marketing retail bank PKO BP and Chairman of the Supervisory Board of Inteligo Financial Services

 

In 2005-2007, Chairman of the Supervisory Board of PKP In 2006, he served as a mediator in the labor dispute against wage demands in PKP Cargo. From 28 January 2008 to 29 January 2013 Chairman of the Board of the company [ 1 ] in which it restructured .

 

In April 2012, he was chairman of the board of LOT Polish Airlines . He is also vice president of the Employers of Poland , and Vice President of the European Organisation for Public Sector Employers"

 

PKO - the biggest Polish bank,

LOT - the biggest Polish Airline.

PKP - the biggest Polish railway.

 

Also they have economy minister who is an American citizen and minister of finance who is a Lithuanian citizen.

 

Honestly, I don't think that assigning some particular foreigners will change entire Ukrainian system. It would require more complex measures...

Western managers are used to western standards of operation.

And there are possibilities:

- they will try to take western standards and adopt them successfully.

- they will try to take western standards and fail.

- they will sink and being corrupted by existing system.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Sensei

[DimaMazin]

 

And recently Polish rock musician was assigned as a chief of Ukrainian railways, ha-ha!

 

Also they have economy minister who is an American citizen and minister of finance who is a Lithuanian citizen.

 

Honestly, I don't think that assigning some particular foreigners will change entire Ukrainian system. It would require more complex measures...

 

I think that relative success of Poland in economic development is mostly explained by external reasons. EU countries came to decision to invest in Poland and build some factories there because they need this country for strategic reasons. However, those new automotive plants that Germans build in Poland could hardly outstrip decline of industry which was created during times of "communism".

Because Poland is politically reliable. Modernized Ukraine can be subordinated by Russia or war can destroy all in Ukraine. Now only knowledges can be real value in Ukraine.

[Moreno]

[...]Modernized Ukraine can be subordinated by Russia or war can destroy all in Ukraine[...]

 

Does Russia have enough money to invest in Ukrainian economy to rise it to a developed country level? Is level of corruption in Russia lower than in Ukraine?

Edited May 1, 2016 by Moreno

[DimaMazin]

Does Russia have enough money to invest in Ukrainian economy to rise it to a developed country level? Is level of corruption in Russia lower than in Ukraine?

Russian politicians need to inspire to Russian folk that their political course is better than west way. Therefore Russia apply military force against Ukraine. When Russia was having money Russia was financing corruption in Ukraine.I am afraid that Ukrainians love corruption more than west way.They proved it once when they have chosen Yanukovych.

[MigL]

Ukranian 'know-how' and engineering don't take a back seat to anyone.

I will speak to what I'm familiar with...

The Antonov design bureau has designed/built most of the transport aircraft used by the former USSR, until the recent re-alignment with the West threw away that arrangement. One could argue that if the West had wanted to boost Ukranian autonomy/economy, Europe would have chosen a derivative ( with European engines ) of the excellent An-70 transport aircraft, instead of sinking billions into the Airbus A-400 mess. It could have been operational 10-15 yrs earlier.

Similarily ivchenko-Progress has developed , and continues to develop, aircraft engines of all sizes and power ranges. To understand how important this is, consider the problems China has faced in trying to develop indigenous engines for their military aircraft.

 

The Ukraine could, if it wasn't for lack of available funding, have an aeronautical industry comparable to, at least, the UK or France