UFO mechanics

[Yvtq8k3n]

Intro

I was walking today on the street and remenber of the past. I think i saw an UFO when i was 8 years. If i was sleeping or not, i have no ideia, but lets continue.

Problem

It was something like this(sometimes it would appear an red ligth other times blue)(maybe an airplane u would say):

Part1(is the cirlce on the top)

Part2(is the circle on the buttom)

Middle(is where the blue/red circles are placed)

 

Now my questions starts. In order to put this to fly i belive the the parts 1 and 2 have to move. We will not question the way this parts are connected to the Middle for now.

 

Question 1: If only the part1 would spin which way should it be?

a)rigth to left(the air will go down)

b)left to rigth(the air will go up)

 

Question 2: If the part2 would spin which way should it be?

a)rigth to left(the air will go down)

b)left to rigth(the air will go up)

 

Question 3: Which of the parts would have to spin more?

a)part1

b)part2

c)both parts

 

If the both options were the same then: the UFO would hardly stability and easly would fall unless the Middle also spinned in the opposite direction.(is not an closed posibilty tougth, but is not may favorite because have alot of counter parts so i wont explore it).

 

Save the options u choose, and try if u can explain it.

 

Now lets to the interesting part.

 

Question 4: Imagine that the Middle have like a few tunnels that would allow the air to pass through Part1 to Part2, What would happen?

a)tunnel in L,

b)tunnel in \ like in this position(0,0,0) to (1,1,1), maybe save energy or maybe give an boost to parts?

c)tunnel in \ like in this position(0,0,0) to (1,1,0), maybe save energy or maybe give an boost to parts?

d)adding this would completly

Please dont ask how efficent, all i want is to understand if this would fly or no.

Use everthing u have to destroy all the possibilities(when i say evething is everthing). Also an impotant thing is the stabilization.

Edited May 28, 2016 by Yvtq8k3n

[Strange]

 

 

all i want is to understand if this would fly or no.

 

No.

[Yvtq8k3n]

 

No.

Did u even tryed to think about it? Because if no is your answer u will never get far, i want motives not empty answers.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Yvtq8k3n

[Strange]

There is no reason it would fly. Why do you think it would?

[Yvtq8k3n]

Because i got this

 

There is no reason it would fly. Why do you think it would?

If the part2 spin a) and the acelaration it have could win vs is weigth then i belive it would be capable of flying.

 

I will give u an youtube video u should check about his weigth and one of the ressons why i think this is possible:

 

If your answer is this would never fly, then let me ask u why helicopters fly, because at my eyes the principle is quite similar.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Yvtq8k3n

[Robittybob1]

Think about it. If they require air for propulsion and flight they are of earth origin. So who and where are they being made? So that question seems difficult unless it was somewhere deep under the ocean. Then if that was the case they would need to be able to go through water to incredible depths as well. How do you get around to these objections to air based propulsion?

[Strange]

If the part2 spin a) and the acelaration it have could win vs is weigth then i belive it would be capable of flying.

 

I will give u an youtube video u should check about his weigth and one of the ressons why i think this is possible:

That is a gyroscope. Gyroscopes do not fly and are not "antigravity".

 

If your answer is this would never fly, then let me ask u why helicopters fly, because at my eyes the principle is quite similar.

Helicopters fly because they have wings.

[Yvtq8k3n]

I see im going nowhere, i will have to study everthing by myself, ok. I realy dont care about the UFO part. I only want to know if is possible, if would be better then what we currently have. Im quite sad because in science an thing fail when is proved that failed and yes i know that is Gyroscopes, and the thing it does is basicly turn a heavy thing more ligth.

Please dont joke around because I may not be the best writer but im serius about this.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Yvtq8k3n

[Daecon]

No, it's not possible.

[Yvtq8k3n]

No, it's not possible.

Could u explain why?

[Daecon]

Because physics doesn't work that way.

[Yvtq8k3n]

Because physics doesn't work that way.

I would ask what makes the an helicopter able to fly, i asked for an reasons and u give none, use maths, use science. Because if was by your hand not even internet would be possible(how can we pass information tougth the air?, maybe is magic, eletrical waves what is that?, physics dont allow it). Keep the spirit open and stop that ### talk.

Because i want to shut up this guys that only say nothing i will give this.

 

How does a helicopter stay in the air?Rotor blades work like spinning wings. Helicopters fly upward against the force of gravity by using their rotors to throw air down beneath them.

 

At the moment there is no fact against what i write before and it seems even more capable of flying then before.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Yvtq8k3n

[ajb]

It sounds like you have a helecopter-like craft. You would need to modify the design so that it creates a difference in air pressure above and below itself... like a helicopter does or indeed a wing.

 

I do not think as it stands your craft will do much other than spin -- but then you have just give a very basic sketch.

[Strange]

Gyroscopes, and the thing it does is basicly turn a heavy thing more ligth.

No, it doesn't.

How does a helicopter stay in the air?Rotor blades work like spinning wings.

That is what I said.

 

At the moment there is no fact against what i write[/size]

 

Only all of physics.

[John Cuthber]

I see im going nowhere, i will have to study everthing by myself, ok. I realy dont care about the UFO part. I only want to know if is possible, if would be better then what we currently have. Im quite sad because in science an thing fail when is proved that failed and yes i know that is Gyroscopes, and the thing it does is basicly turn a heavy thing more ligth.

Please dont joke around because I may not be the best writer but im serius about this.

"I see im going nowhere, i will have to study everthing by myself"

Yes, you are going nowhere and you should study. I suggests that you study as part of a group, rather than by yourself, but studying on your own would also work.

"I realy dont care about the UFO part. I only want to know if is possible"

You have been told several times that it is not possible. If that is all you care about, why carry on asking?

"i know that is Gyroscopes, and the thing it does is basicly turn a heavy thing more ligth."

No, they do not.

 

"Please dont joke around because I may not be the best writer but im serius about this."

We are usually very good at accepting English that is not very good- we understand that not everyone here speaks English as their first language.

As long as we can understan, the language does not matter very much.

But what you are saying is just wrong.

[swansont]

 

 

I will give u an youtube video u should check about his weigth and one of the ressons why i think this is possible:

 

If your answer is this would never fly, then let me ask u why helicopters fly, because at my eyes the principle is quite similar.

 

The thing is that Derek explains what is going on in the video (you have to click on an answer to where he finishes the experiment), and it should be clear why this is not anything like a helicopter.

 

For starters, the rotation is at 90º to a helicopter's blades, and it's not moving air in any significant way. Not similar at all.

[Yvtq8k3n]

Ok let me reformulate, imagine that i have an umbrella, how much acelaration/velocity/enery(choose whatever u think is best) i would need to put on it in order to fly?

If u could explain whit formulas would be awesome.

 

(Yes im not an native english, but dont worry i can easly understand what u write).

 

And yes i realise my mistake about the gyroscopes.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Yvtq8k3n

[Strange]

Ok let me reformulate, imagine that i have an umbrella, how much acelaration/velocity/enery(choose whatever u think is best) i would need to put it on the sky?

If u could explain whit formulas would be awesome.

 

 

 

Are you talking about throwing it up in the air? Or providing it with rocket engines? Or something else? (The answers may be different in each case.)

 

And why an umbrella? It will require just as much energy to keep an umbrella in the air as any other object if the same weight. Unless the shape of the umbrella happens to be a good aerofoil, which is possible I suppose...

[swansont]

You need to exert a force that exceeds the weight (and any other forces present, like wind resistance) to have it accelerate upwards. A force that matches the weight will allow it to move at constant velocity.

[Yvtq8k3n]

Unfortunaly i cant edit what i write so i will give an better image. Maybe now u should be able to understand better what im talking about.

I think everthing is clear now, what i write is one of the combinations i thinked, i also dont know what would happen if both pushed air down.

 

*Would the tunnels that i told before, improve anything?

You need to exert a force that exceeds the weight (and any other forces present, like wind resistance) to have it accelerate upwards. A force that matches the weight will allow it to move at constant velocity.

That is the kind of answer that im looking for.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Yvtq8k3n

[swansont]

That looks like a coaxial rotor (or contra-rotating) helicopter. Yes it will fly, if it's in atmosphere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_rotors

 

The issue with titling this as related to UFOs is that the implication is that it must work in a vacuum, and this would not.

[Yvtq8k3n]

That looks like a coaxial rotor (or contra-rotating) helicopter. Yes it will fly, if it's in atmosphere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_rotors

 

The issue with titling this as related to UFOs is that the implication is that it must work in a vacuum, and this would not.

 

Thanks u make me realy happy and BAM everyone that said it woul never fly because it wouldnt.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Yvtq8k3n

[Sensei]

UFO means Unidentified Flying Object.

It does not automatically means Extraterrestrial Intelligence Flying Object.

In which sense you're trying to use it.

 

If I would take piece of paper, roll it, glue, attach wire/strand to bottom and place there candle and fire it up.

Inside of rolled paper there would be created lower density of air, than around it. I would basically make Chinese lantern.

 

If somebody would see it flying, especially from far distance, could not be able to tell what it is (therefore it's Unidentified Flying Object for him/her).

Surprise would be later when light would disappear, it happens at few hundred meters or more above ground.

 

 

[swansont]

The implication in the common use of UFO is that it is extraterrestrial.

[Yvtq8k3n]

Based on the ideia that this would fligh please tell me what u think about this project i will announce.

 

I will call it OVNI Nano Screen(the name can change):

 

Imagine that we not have one but 1024 × 768 things like the one i said before and each one have an rgb led inside, whit the primary colors: red,blue,green.

 

As u may not know your screen works the same way.

 

We can program each nano OVNI whit the cordinates and the color that he will show and we can have an floating screen, inst it awesome??

 

Problem: I advice this little ovnis to be inside of a house because of the wind.

 

What u guys thing??

Edited June 25, 2016 by Yvtq8k3n