Scientific "Community"

[B. John Jones]

I'm asking for a measure, in your subjective opinion: on a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being "steely cold but strongly unified", 10 being "warm with plenty of room for dissent," how would you describe the scientific community?

[StringJunky]

I'm asking for a measure, in your subjective opinion: on a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being "steely cold but strongly unified", 10 being "warm with plenty of room for dissent," how would you describe the scientific community?

It's steely cold, strongly unified with plenty of room for dissent; yours is a false dichotomy.

[Strange]

Where does "intensely competitive, hugely collaborative, creative, imaginative, diligent, risk taking, cautious" fit on your scale?

 

I don't think you can categorise thousands of individuals in such a trivial way.

[B. John Jones]

It's steely cold, strongly unified with plenty of room for dissent; yours is a false dichotomy.

How can there be unity with dissent?

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[Robittybob1]

How can there be unity with dissent?

They are allowed to have an opinion.

[B. John Jones]

They are allowed to have an opinion.

I'm not asking about permissions. How can there be unity with dissent?

Edited May 31, 2016 by B. John Jones

[Robittybob1]

And a kingdom [unity] divided against itself will not stand. Fact.

 

Has history verified that? Have you got proof?

Edited May 31, 2016 by Robittybob1

[Strange]

How can there be unity with dissent?

 

 

Because the "scientific community" is a large number of individuals with differing opinions, motivations, goals, etc. They will agree on some things and disagree on others.

[B. John Jones]

And a kingdom [unity] divided against itself will not stand. Fact.

Has history verified that? Have you got proof?

That's just a historical comment.

[Strange]

And a kingdom [unity] divided against itself will not stand. Fact.

That's just a historical comment.

 

 

And how is it relevant (even if it were true)?

[B. John Jones]

@Robbitybob, you know your real name. You could prove it to some, but you wouldn't be able to prove it to me if you wanted to would you? I'm stating something as fact. Rejecting it is your prerogative.

[Robittybob1]

@Robbitybob, you know your real name. You could prove it to some, but you wouldn't be able to prove it to me if you wanted to would you? I'm stating something as fact. Rejecting it is your prerogative.

That makes you sound as being obstinate. Just because your quote comes from scripture doesn't make it a fact.

[B. John Jones]

I've stated severally, "If modern science has contributed its claims to modern man, then let science hold sway. But if God, then let the church of the Hawaiian Islands rock the world." You yoursel(ves) have stated that the scientific community is "steely cold but unified." I highly doubt that. Your "unity" will fall because you reject the living God, Jesus of Nazareth. He's given you time to repent.

[Robittybob1]

I've stated severally, "If modern science has contributed its claims to modern man, then let science hold sway. But if God, then let the church of the Hawaiian Islands rock the world." You yoursel(ves) have stated that the scientific community is "steely cold but unified." I highly doubt that. Your "unity" will fall because you reject the living God, Jesus of Nazareth. He's given you time to repent.

Now you have reverted to preaching when you should be producing facts. You have been given time to repent.

[dimreepr]

How can there be unity with dissent?

 

 

By unifying in the pursuit of dissention.

[B. John Jones]

That makes you sound as being obstinate. Just because your quote comes from scripture doesn't make it a fact.

Just because you tell me your name doesn't make it fact. But it is fact.

[Strange]

I've stated severally, "If modern science has contributed its claims to modern man, then let science hold sway. But if God, then let the church of the Hawaiian Islands rock the world." You yoursel(ves) have stated that the scientific community is "steely cold but unified." I highly doubt that. Your "unity" will fall because you reject the living God, Jesus of Nazareth. He's given you time to repent.

 

 

You are mixing up two different things and creating a conflict where none needs to exist. Why?

 

Science is a methodology for creating models of the world around us. It works, in that it can lead to useful technology.

 

The role and purpose of religion is completely different. The Bible might tell you all sorts of things, but it won't help you eradicate smallpox or build a GPS system.

[Robittybob1]

Just because you tell me your name doesn't make it fact. But it is fact.

Have you ever named a child? It never felt like a fact to me. It was more like a random event in my experience, any name was possible. Until someone said I choose this one.

[swansont]

How can there be unity with dissent?

Science is not monolithic, as Strange has already explained, making your view a false dichotomy, as StringJunky has noted. Why are you ignoring this?

[StringJunky]

Science is not monolithic, as Strange has already explained, making your view a false dichotomy, as StringJunky has noted. Why are you ignoring this?

Yes. The scientific method is the agreed methodology that brings unity and peer review is the agreed form of dissent.

[Sirona]

The Science community here seems to be consistent with other communities I've been apart of online; essentially they're just people and have similar goals and motivations. Some members are absolutely lovely people who genuinely want to educate and continue to learn, they're open and willing to accept you as a friend regardless of your reputation and time here; they give you a chance. Others are polite, informative but distant. Few seem to be disrespectful, others have egos, some are full of humility. I haven't seen anything that has surprised me in terms of personality/character.

[Strange]

Interesting point. I had assumed that B John Jones was talking about the scientific community, in general. But maybe he means this forum, specifically.

[CharonY]

If we mean actual scientific communities: Is "a bag of cats" a valid option?

[StringJunky]

If we mean actual scientific communities: Is "a bag of cats" a valid option?

Feral ones at that.

[Ken Fabian]

I think science is unified in motivation of science practitioners to achieve a better understanding of our world on the basis of what is supported by evidence and reason. It is unified by long standing practices of institutions, the application of high professional standards and open, accurate and honest record keeping. Depending on the specific subject there can be strong disagreements but the trend is towards consensus as the depth of knowledge grows and inadequacies of data and reasoning are overcome. Whilst counter examples can be found, most scientists are willing to let go of their conclusions in the face of contrary evidence and improved methodology.