marieltrokan Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 But there is no evidence for the opposite either - perhaps God isn't a he, or even a separate something from the creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) “Consequence” only enters the conversation if one fails to find ones purpose in life, the consequence of that is often depression because it's the first step on life’s yellow brick road to contentment? Edited June 20, 2016 by dimreepr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringJunky Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 But there is no evidence for the opposite either - perhaps God isn't a he, or even a separate something from the creation. If that's case then the scientists will find out; god is in the detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) Why does there have to be one meaning of life ?Why can there not be a multitude? Why can these meanings not evolve with time? The more the merrier, if by meaning you mean reason. Edited June 20, 2016 by dimreepr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) dimreepr said "Or did you mean; “Consequence” only enters the conversation if one fails to find ones purpose in life, the consequence of that is often depression because the first step on life’s yellow brick road to contentment is a reason to live?" Not what I meant but ,I agree we need a purpose in life -in the same way that a cyclist will fall on the pavement if he doesn't keep peddling. If we feel our lives have no purpose then the consequences can be similar putting a wild animal in captivity. A "purpose in life" could almost be considered a human right if such an entitlement was practical. Edited June 20, 2016 by geordief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marieltrokan Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 Which post of mine did you mean to quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) I didn't mean to quote you at all, marieltrokan . It is the multiquote feature that has me stumped. Edited June 20, 2016 by geordief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marieltrokan Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 I still don't know how to quote myself. Do you think that any thought is universal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 dimreepr said "Or did you mean; “Consequence” only enters the conversation if one fails to find ones purpose in life, the consequence of that is often depression because the first step on life’s yellow brick road to contentment is a reason to live?" Not what I meant but ,I agree we need a purpose in life -in the same way that a cyclist will fall on the pavement if he doesn't keep peddling. If we feel our lives have no purpose then the consequences can be similar putting a wild animal in captivity. A "purpose in life" could almost be considered a human right if such an entitlement was practical. You can’t be given a purpose you have to find it yourself, because if it’s not your choice it becomes a burden and you’ll never even see life’s yellow brick road. I still don't know how to quote myself. Do you think that any thought is universal? Wanting to live is an almost universal thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marieltrokan Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 What about wanting to be known as the Universe - would this thought pertain to the current contestants of Channel 5's Big Brother, or anyone who lived in Seattle in 1986? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 What about wanting to be known as the Universe - would this thought pertain to the current contestants of Channel 5's Big Brother, or anyone who lived in Seattle in 1986? We're talking about causation now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) You can’t be given a purpose you have to find it yourself, because if it’s not your choice it becomes a burden and you’ll never even see life’s yellow brick road. So if you do not have a purpose in life do you think that it is impossible for someone to help you (re) achieve this? Because if this is possible then it is also possible for this to be done in an institutionalized way. For example ,if drug taking has this effect on some people then they can presumably be helped to regain a purpose in life We're talking about causation now? Your purpose is now as an interpreter of obscure posts? Edited June 20, 2016 by geordief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 What about wanting to be known as the Universe - would this thought pertain to the current contestants of Channel 5's Big Brother, or anyone who lived in Seattle in 1986? Have any of those people said they want to be known as "The Universe"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) So if you do not have a purpose in life do you think that it is impossible for someone to help you (re) achieve this? Because if this is possible then it is also possible for this to be done in an institutionalized way. For example ,if drug taking has this effect on some people then they can presumably be helped to regain a purpose in life You can be taught how to be content to wait for it and where to look but only you can find it. Edited June 20, 2016 by dimreepr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 You can be taught how to be content to wait for it and where to look but only you can find it. You find it or it finds you? Could it be possible to "get it on the National Health" then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 You find it or it finds you? Does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Does it matter? Well,I think it does. If you are looking for something that finds you then you will never find it (except by accident) and in fact you could be driving it away? And ,if you are waiting for something to fall into the palm of your hands that actually needs to be reeled in then again it will be no cigar. I hope you will tell me if that is just verbiage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Could it be possible to "get it on the National Health" then? If you can make enough people understand it's value, yes. However to many people think money is a reason rather than money has a reason; teaching people to understand the difference is step one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 If you can make enough people understand it's value, yes. However to many people think money is a reason rather than money has a reason; teaching people to understand the difference is step one. Money can also be a plaything and people who gamble money can come a bad cropper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Well,I think it does. If you are looking for something that finds you then you will never find it (except by accident) and in fact you could be driving it away? And ,if you are waiting for something to fall into the palm of your hands that actually needs to be reeled in then again it will be no cigar. I hope you will tell me if that is just verbiage If finding it is the goal, why turn your back on a happy accident? Money can also be a plaything and people who gamble money can come a bad cropper I'm a lucky gambler, I always loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 If finding it is the goal, why turn your back on a happy accident? You may not recognize it if you are looking for something "else". There is the saying(I think) "Life is what happens to you when you are not looking" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 You may not recognize it if you are looking for something "else". There is the saying(I think) "Life is what happens to you when you are not looking" You're looking for a purpose in life what "else"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) You're looking for a purpose in life what "else"? The "else" is the same thing but achieved in different ways. If it comes of its own accord then that is "else " as compared with what you hope to get by your own work . And vice versa. Perhaps the aim can be achieved by own path alone , perhaps by both (I don't know) but the path that is not taken has a "destination " that is "else" (=other) as compared to that of the other path. It would be easier to make up our minds as to which method is more likely to work (and forget the other one perhaps) Speaking for myself ,I have always had a strong purpose and so lack the insight as to how it might be necessary to find one (except in a theoretical way as I know people who have told me this) On the other hand I think it is fairly common when someone learns they have a terminal illness to be overcome by a sense of meaningless and so that might happen to me then if I do not get lucky with a quick demise (where is the icon for "chin up"?) Edited June 20, 2016 by geordief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 The "else" is the same thing but achieved in different ways. If it comes of its own accord then that is "else " as compared with what you hope to get by your own work . And vice versa. Perhaps the aim can be achieved by own path alone , perhaps by both (I don't know) but the path that is not taken has a "destination " that is "else" (=other) as compared to that of the other path. It would be easier to make up our minds as to which method is more likely to work (and forget the other one perhaps) Speaking for myself ,I have always had a strong purpose and so lack the insight as to how it might be necessary to find one (except in a theoretical way as I know people who have told me this) On the other hand I think it is fairly common when someone learns they have a terminal illness to be overcome by a sense of meaningless and so that might happen to me then if I do not get lucky with a quick demise (where is the icon for "chin up"?) But WHY does it matter how it’s achieved if you achieve it? Remember purpose is singular, if you want more then keep looking or add an s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 But WHY does it matter how it’s achieved if you achieve it? Remember purpose is singular, if you want more then keep looking or add an s. If you are looking purposely for something you will have an idea what it looks like and ,at some point you may say to yourself that you have found it. But you may be mistaken and have found something else. If something comes to you of its own accord there will be no mistake ,no need to compare anything with any prior expectation. It will just be a matter of appraising what you seem to have got and maybe giving it a name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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